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Tesla car wins sportsman 2021 local season

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September 21, 2021, 02:42 PM
RPROGAS
Tesla car wins sportsman 2021 local season
Hi Dave:

Yes, Barona is still running weekly programs and the turn out has been great!

As for the shorter shut off area than you are normally use to experiencing it has to be taken into account if you have a faster car (which you certainly do). I've run in the mid 130's without dropping the laundry(135-136) and stopped without any problems, BUT you can't mess around down there and you can't be late. Personally I don't like taking on that risk so I try and keep the speed down around 128 - 130. That sand box will stop you but it will also take it's toll on the front of the car.

There has been several serious discussions about moving the starting line back when the track is re-paved. That may not be far off, it's all about the Benjamins. The frequent Friday night "Street Racer events" will help fund that project. That fund is rapidly growing.

FYI: You always have a place to stay when you come to Barona, I live 13 miles from the tack. The "Free" Mendenhall B&B is always available.

Bob
September 23, 2021, 04:52 PM
imakehp
Hi Bob, Checking the Barona website it looks like you guys are all done with bracket races for the year. I see they had a chassis cert day last week damn it. I need this chassis and my new one cert'd.
I lowered the launch, shift and topend RPM limits to keep it under 150mph. but my chute really did nothing most runs. I'm sure getting a bigger chute will get it under control.
How far back are they talking about moving the start? 40-50 feet would make all the difference in the World. For me at least lol.


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Dave



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September 27, 2021, 09:57 AM
RPROGAS
H Dave:

All my runs have been under 137 and the chute has never had an influence in stopping the car. The pilot version takes too long to deploy even when I drop it 100 feet short of the stripe, it needs more air to work properly. I'm considering going to a Stroud launcher system hoping that it will help. The problem is that if the chute doesn't deploy properly you're sort of royally skrewed.

No idea when the track will work on lengthening the shut off area (moving the starting line backwards). Until that happens I'll continue to use the throttle stop and shifting early to slow the car to the 5'0s.

I still see some door car guys running in the mid to high 4's @ 150+, it only takes one mistake (late with the chute) or equipment failure to finish off the car. It's not worth the risk.

Bob
September 27, 2021, 12:32 PM
fuzzy dice
A Tesla plaid ran at the test n tune last Saturday night...I watched him go 8.14 @ 152mph...this guy tows a generator behind him so he can fully charge before every run...later he ran another Tesla and went 8.36 to the other's 8.38...I race palm beach so I know that car and the driver is a good bracket racer...it is my understanding the N and IHRA made a separate class for EV's...apparently the tracks can do what they please...I wonder what happens at the divisional/national level?...
September 28, 2021, 12:47 AM
SS427IMP
I don't see any tracks creating a special class for EVs until they start showing up in double digits and registering for the whole season.
September 29, 2021, 07:28 AM
Holytown
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Originally posted by Michael Beard:
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Originally posted by Tom396:

PBIR points standings

You have to open the file. Sportsman points standings after Race #11 are about three quarters of the way down. Take care. Tom Worthington


Maybe people will look at the round by round results which are also included in the file.


Just looked at the stats and his all out runs look to be 103mph but the ET was between 12.82-12.87 That's not anymore consistent than a NA car currently. However, all the electronics are there. You could always call Elon and say you want an app that makes your car run a 13.00 every time.
September 29, 2021, 07:58 AM
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You could always call Elon and say you want an app that makes your car run a 13.00 every time.

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Bundle it with a .000 reaction time App.
September 29, 2021, 09:07 AM
BP758
Std Charger is 240 volts and the fast charge ( multiple) is 440 volts?? Cha ching! How fast can they charge?
The tracks not paying for that. . Can’t even run your ac out here so how’s this going to work? Just like us, they should be responsible for their fuel system.


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September 29, 2021, 10:39 AM
Floyd Staggs
Barry,
How much charge can they recover in the usual 1 hour between rds?


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September 29, 2021, 11:24 AM
BP758
Have no idea Floyd.
Maybe Brandon can tell us?


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September 29, 2021, 01:33 PM
SS427IMP
The few Teslas running here routinely clock 11.5x in early rounds, ET increasing slightly as batteries discharge slightly. Still predictable with enough past round data even though a little slower. They don't really need to charge as long as they know what each round ET will be- and they do!
September 30, 2021, 07:59 AM
Holytown
quote:
Originally posted by SS427IMP:
The few Teslas running here routinely clock 11.5x in early rounds, ET increasing slightly as batteries discharge slightly. Still predictable with enough past round data even though a little slower. They don't really need to charge as long as they know what each round ET will be- and they do!


Good point. Rather than predicting off of weather data, they'd predict off of charge/wind variables.
September 30, 2021, 03:42 PM
Richard Hammond
quote:
Originally posted by SS427IMP:
The few Teslas running here routinely clock 11.5x in early rounds, ET increasing slightly as batteries discharge slightly. Still predictable with enough past round data even though a little slower. They don't really need to charge as long as they know what each round ET will be- and they do!


How do they know what the cars et will be each round?
September 30, 2021, 03:53 PM
SS427IMP
quote:
Originally posted by Richard Hammond:
quote:
Originally posted by SS427IMP:
The few Teslas running here routinely clock 11.5x in early rounds, ET increasing slightly as batteries discharge slightly. Still predictable with enough past round data even though a little slower. They don't really need to charge as long as they know what each round ET will be- and they do!
As I said in previous post: Data from previous rounds at same charge- ain't gonna change power or ET.

How do they know what the cars et will be each round?

September 30, 2021, 04:51 PM
BG7X77
I have seen 2 so far today pulled in for D9 IHRA BF. I'll be interested to see how they do consistency wise.


BG
September 30, 2021, 05:22 PM
Woody B
I've been told that any modern vehicle with an electronic throttle that uses torque management can be programmed to be deadly consistent. I suspect most vehicles could be programmed easier than a Tesla could.


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September 30, 2021, 06:38 PM
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Have you seen any of the faster two motor Tesla’s with a roll cage? Seems their ET or mph would need one if NHRA



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September 30, 2021, 08:20 PM
SS427IMP
quote:
Originally posted by Woody B:
I've been told that any modern vehicle with an electronic throttle that uses torque management can be programmed to be deadly consistent. I suspect most vehicles could be programmed easier than a Tesla could.
Wouldn't those vehicles still be affected by DA variables? EVs aren't and that's the point.
October 01, 2021, 05:36 AM
Woody B
quote:
Originally posted by SS427IMP:
quote:
Originally posted by Woody B:
I've been told that any modern vehicle with an electronic throttle that uses torque management can be programmed to be deadly consistent. I suspect most vehicles could be programmed easier than a Tesla could.
Wouldn't those vehicles still be affected by DA variables? EVs aren't and that's the point.


No, not if programmed "correctly". Torque management monitors the torque delivered. On pretty much any modern vehicle the torque delivered is manipulated. It's manipulated for drivability, longevity, fuel economy, traction/stability control and many other things. It could be programmed to deliver the same exact torque curve every time. Wind would still effect it. So could traction.


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October 03, 2021, 11:33 AM
Will Harrison
It was announced yesterday at the D7 E.T. finals that electric vehicles will not be legal next year in the normal bracket classes, and they will have their own class.


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