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Or do they even care that a bracket racing event is making them look like chumps for the purses they pay out... even to the Pros?


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LOL, I bet they have blinders on !!! As long as racers are still paying membership fee's and coming to race's they are not thinking about those huge payouts in the Big Buck World. NHRA has a lot of mouths to feed.....Haha


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Or do they even care that a bracket racing event is making them look like chumps for the purses they pay out... even to the Pros?



Hi Greg!
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Had that conversation at the divisional race. HMMMM

You in town?


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Hey, if you win you may get a pic in National Dragster! Do they still print that?
 
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Any racers out there good with math do me a favor......Add up the total number of cars and the entry fees paid at both the big bucks races as well as the NHRA divisional events. That should give us a payout per entry dollar ratio. Then lets compare numbers?


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You bring up an interesting thought:

NHRA could pay out a real purse if the pros had to pay an entry fee...
Top Fuel: $25,000
Funny Car: $25,000
Pro no one cares: 10,000

Winner take 80% of purse.
 
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Any racers out there good with math do me a favor......Add up the total number of cars and the entry fees paid at both the big bucks races as well as the NHRA divisional events. That should give us a payout per entry dollar ratio. Then lets compare numbers?


EXACTLY

Fans of the so-called "big money" bracket races are basically people who can't do simple math. It's the racers themselves putting up all the "big money." Multiple entries allowed at $500 a pop, two rounds of buybacks at $500 each, etc, etc. What a great deal. LMAO


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Any racers out there good with math do me a favor......Add up the total number of cars and the entry fees paid at both the big bucks races as well as the NHRA divisional events. That should give us a payout per entry dollar ratio. Then lets compare numbers?


EXACTLY

Fans of the so-called "big money" bracket races are basically people who can't do simple math. It's the racers themselves putting up all the "big money." Multiple entries allowed at $500 a pop, two rounds of buybacks at $500 each, etc, etc. What a great deal. LMAO


If you're going to pocket 15-30% of the gate, wouldn't you rather put on a $400K than a $5K?

Don't get me wrong; there is a ton of work, risk, and reputation building involved for those that can make it to that point.


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Any racers out there good with math do me a favor......Add up the total number of cars and the entry fees paid at both the big bucks races as well as the NHRA divisional events. That should give us a payout per entry dollar ratio. Then lets compare numbers?


EXACTLY

Fans of the so-called "big money" bracket races are basically people who can't do simple math. It's the racers themselves putting up all the "big money." Multiple entries allowed at $500 a pop, two rounds of buybacks at $500 each, etc, etc. What a great deal. LMAO
So you would rather spend $2000 entries plus other expenses to run NHRA for a chance to win what $1200-$1500 + little contingency than spend the same amount at a big money race for a chance to win $10K or more?? I'm no math major, but I know where my money will be spent at. NHRA is all about that Wally and championship dreams and there's nothing wrong with that. To those that chase that that moment is priceless.. Just my take on the whole NHRA vs Big money bracket racing.
 
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BIG MONEY fan here...

Ran NHRA divisional in Vegas week before fling ...let's see:

License renewal $240, chassis cert on new car $140.00, entry fee $170.00. Spent 4 days to run 1 race with the opportunity to win peanuts for $550.00

Was it $675.00 to race for $30,000.00 three times? I will stick to big money racing...far better deal.

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BIG MONEY fan here...

Ran NHRA divisional in Vegas week before fling ...let's see:

License renewal $240, chassis cert on new car $140.00, entry fee $170.00. Spent 4 days to run 1 race with the opportunity to win peanuts for $550.00

Was it $675.00 to race for $30,000.00 three times? I will stick to big money racing...far better deal.

JMO


Racing at an NHRA track, you should have a licence and current chassis cert. How do they factor into the entry fee vs the Fling?


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So you would rather spend $2000 entries plus other expenses to run NHRA for a chance to win what $1200-$1500 + little contingency than spend the same amount at a big money race for a chance to win $10K or more??


It's $320 to enter both cars in a divisional. Double that at a national, but you aren't spending $2K to enter at a NHRA race. No buybacks either, although I usually pay my $20 per car on the 2nd time run to enter the super-class shootouts.

The economics of NHRA racing don't make any sense, but the divisionals are my favorite events. I bracket race just about every weekend that I'm not doing it, but after a hectic week I enjoy getting away for 3-4 days and making a few laps. Racing is usually finished for the day well before dark and I can fire up the grill with a beer.

Trust me, ten years ago I would have been laughing at this mentality!

High-level bracket racing, for most, is a fairly low percentage deal. $10K+ to win is great, but how often are you holding that check? How many $1-2K weekends can you absorb before you hit one?


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So you would rather spend $2000 entries plus other expenses to run NHRA for a chance to win what $1200-$1500 + little contingency than spend the same amount at a big money race for a chance to win $10K or more??


It's $320 to enter both cars in a divisional. Double that at a national, but you aren't spending $2K to enter at a NHRA race. No buybacks either, although I usually pay my $20 per car on the 2nd time run to enter the super-class shootouts.

The economics of NHRA racing don't make any sense, but the divisionals are my favorite events. I bracket race just about every weekend that I'm not doing it, but after a hectic week I enjoy getting away for 3-4 days and making a few laps. Racing is usually finished for the day well before dark and I can fire up the grill with a beer.

Trust me, ten years ago I would have been laughing at this mentality!

High-level bracket racing, for most, is a fairly low percentage deal. $10K+ to win is great, but how often are you holding that check? How many $1-2K weekends can you absorb before you hit one?
yeah Tony worded or over exaggerated a little on the NHRA entry fee.. I’m aware of the cost vs reward of NHRA racing as I have lots of good friends that live in my area that travel the National and divisional races. Best of luck at the races.
 
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One thing I have noticed since switching to TD and racing NHRA again after many years. There no shortage of cars at the divisional races, I have seen 400-700 cars at these events, thats cars not entries as in double entries. NHRA has a class for pretty much any type of car so there is a place for everyone. I am having a great time running TD, love the challenges of qualifing and running a 230mph car.
 
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Sounds like there is a place for everyone to race.

Enjoy it while you can.
 
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Sounds like there is a place for everyone to race.

Enjoy it while you can.


Bingo !! I.P. nailed it !! Pick your poison and race what you like, and pray we can still do it tomorrow.............


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A point I did not make in my original post and was waiting to see if it would be mentioned was the racer appreciation factor. That and the massive amount of prizes for things like Best Losing Package each round... or just the amount of round money.

Listen, I haven't raced in a long time. And I don't begrudge anyone's decision to participate at NHRA events. But I remember how I was treated by NHRA staff for no reason other than the fact that I was a lowly Super Gas or Super Comp racer. I think it's incredible what Kyle and Peter have been able to put together.

NHRA is the premier drag racing series in the world, yet they can't garner enough media attention and sponsor funding to move beyond a 3rd tier program in the world of motorsports.


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Also, the thread doesn't really pertain to racers but more curiosity about how the general public responds to things. How would someone that doesn't really know much about drag racing respond if you showed them side by side what a win in Top Fuel gets versus the Spring Fling? I don't think you'd want to show their response to marketing people.

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How would someone that doesn't really know much about drag racing respond if you showed them side by side what a win in Top Fuel gets versus the Spring Fling.


I think that is just it right there. The nitro fans and the bracket racers are somewhat exclusive groups. Your average person watching NHRA on TV has no idea that big dollar bracket racing even exists, so there isn't much for NHRA to be embarrassed about.


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General public doesn’t know a thing about the fling and could careless. This isn’t a slam on any racer but it’s just a fact.
 
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