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Bracket Talk Bracket Talk Forum General Discussion - by FTI I hate to see this......Go | New | Find | Notify | Tools | Reply | |
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| DRR Sportsman |
Treed me. I was typing the exact same thing. Same thing happened locally. The old man who owned the little mom & pop lawn mower shop got bought out by a much larger company...and the (lack of) customer service has certainly shown it's ugly head. I know....first hand, and there's not a thing I can do about it aside from do the best that I can within the "rules"....that or quit. | |||
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| DRR Sportsman |
What would happen if NHRA told the fuelers they had to use the same block and heads for the whole race, qualifying thru fourth round? | |||
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| DRR Trophy |
NHRA would fold in about two races, because nobody wants to watch slow cars go down the track. | |||
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| DRR Elite |
Exactly. You take the teeth out of these machines and the draw goes away. Foxtrot Juliet Bravo | |||
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DRR Pro |
Blame NHRA they are slowly killing them selves and it seems they don't give 2 ****z about it. "Just Shut Up and Race" Brian Martin Martin Racing 5.50 126 | |||
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| DRR Pro |
Nitro motor start to eat them selves as soon as it starts. "Just Shut Up and Race" Brian Martin Martin Racing 5.50 126 | |||
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DRR S/Pro |
NHRA screwed the little guy when they put a moratorium on match racing calling it test sessions and limiting testing. Many of the smaller teams made a living match racing. Now they are totally dependent on corporate money or owners with corporate money. The tough thing about limiting the engines is the short turn around time between rounds. Nobody wants to see single passes and that is what you would end up with. I think Barry may be on to something by limiting fuel and blower. The only thing about this might be what you see in the Heritage series on the front motor cars. They turn them harder to get more work done in the same amount of time so there are lots of oil downs. 18 Pro Stocks and 14 Fuelers. Good thing they took money away from the PS guys to pay all those TF cars.  Curtis ____________________________ 2017 and 2018 Osage Casinos Tulsa Raceway Park No-Box Champion 2018 Div4 Goodguys Hammer award winner | |||
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DRR Top Comp |
What? I had not heard of this. You are saying NHRA does not allow them to match race? Why wold they even care if they are match racing or testing? https://postimg.cc/gallery/np3zpruo/ "Dunning-Kruger Effect" -a type of Cognitive bias where people with little expertise or ability assume they have superior expertise or ability. This overestimation occurs as a result of the fact that they do not have enough knowledge to know they don't have enough knowledge. Before you argue with someone ask yourself, "Is this person mentally mature enough to grasp the concept of a different perspective?" If not there is no point to argue. 4X NE2 CHAMPION. 2020 TDRA NE2 Champion | |||
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| DRR Trophy |
so they can hold them captive to the big show | |||
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DRR S/Pro |
That rule was gone years ago but it did suck for the little guy for the couple years it was in effect if they wanted to run the big show | |||
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DRR S/Pro |
Are you guys telling me you can tell the difference between a 3.80 solo pass and a 4.00 solo pass with the scoreboards off? Why would anyone watch a nitro funny car if it isn't the quickest car on the property? The main problem with the 'single block and heads' rule would be late round bye runs or even a complete no-show final because of breakage. Nobody would want to watch that. Tony Leonard | |||
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| DRR S/Pro |
But it killed many of the booked in shows that were prevalent all over the country at the time. From what I can tell it never recovered. ____________________________ 2017 and 2018 Osage Casinos Tulsa Raceway Park No-Box Champion 2018 Div4 Goodguys Hammer award winner | |||
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| DRR Elite |
I don't think their intention was to hurt the little guys. The argument could be made that unlimited match racing could be afforded by the bigger guys and used basically as unlimited testing. And if it was really that much of a profit center, all the big guys would send cars out for that all they could. I'm not completely sure that taking a modern, competitive fuel car to match races was a money maker anyhow. We have heard numbers thrown around about how much they cost to run per pass. Pay the crew to be there and the driver and put the miles on the rig. Get there and blow some stuff up, and how much did that match race cost to attend? If match racing was that great of a deal for the little guys, why didn't they pick it back up? Why didn't it recover? I know we all want someone to blame for this. But I'm not sure that NHRA is the cause of the decline in participation. IHRA wasn't exactly killing it. Did NHRA ruin it for them too? Corporations and organizations who once supported racing through sponsorship's, have lost interest, and have found other avenues to reach their customer base. Yes TF racing has become very expensive. That is at least partially due to great sponsorship's that supported the expensive improvements in the past. NHRA ticks me off pretty regularly. But I don't think they are the root cause of all that ails our sport. Foxtrot Juliet Bravo | |||
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| DRR S/Pro |
I don't think NHRA ever tries to harm any specific portion of their racers and never said they did it purposefully. I also never mentioned that match racing was any type of money maker for the well funded teams. But at the time they instituted that rule, and remember it was quite some time ago, there were many small teams that relied on match racing to keep funding coming in. Why did it never recover? Anybody's guess but once things change they never go back to the way it was it seems. Something else moves into it's place and we go on about out way. All this is just my opinion and I'm not an NHRA hater. They do seem to be out of touch with the sportsman racer with some of the decisions they make but I still loved getting a Wally this year and believe they have a great product. Curtis ____________________________ 2017 and 2018 Osage Casinos Tulsa Raceway Park No-Box Champion 2018 Div4 Goodguys Hammer award winner | |||
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DRR Sportsman |
Pro Stock Truck... Burt I'm So Proud To Be An American And Not A Democrat... | |||
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| DRR Top Comp |
I was not much of a fan of the Pro Stock Trucks when they came out but I started liking it more and was really pissed when they killed it. The reason it pissed me off is because people had spent millions of dollars building teams getting sponsors and building the class. Also in the few short years we had it we are still benefiting from the small block technology. Just think if they had not killed it. NHRA shot themselves in the foot on that one. https://postimg.cc/gallery/np3zpruo/ "Dunning-Kruger Effect" -a type of Cognitive bias where people with little expertise or ability assume they have superior expertise or ability. This overestimation occurs as a result of the fact that they do not have enough knowledge to know they don't have enough knowledge. Before you argue with someone ask yourself, "Is this person mentally mature enough to grasp the concept of a different perspective?" If not there is no point to argue. 4X NE2 CHAMPION. 2020 TDRA NE2 Champion | |||
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| DRR Sportsman |
With truck sales killing the market these days I bet NHRA would like a do over. | |||
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| DRR S/Pro |
PST was an ill fated marketing attempt to glom onto NASCAR's truck series (I don't guess it's still around is it?). When it doesn't turn out to be a money maker, er I mean a non-profit contribution, there is only one eventual outcome. Illegitimi non carborundum | |||
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| DRR S/Pro |
Burt you believe they set out to do harm on purpose? They specifically axed PST just to do harm to the guys racing? Now was it a dumb decision that DID do harm? Yes and they paid the price for it. I have a hard time though believing that they sat together in a room somewhere and someone said, "I want to kill PST to put the screws to these guys racing with us". Curtis ____________________________ 2017 and 2018 Osage Casinos Tulsa Raceway Park No-Box Champion 2018 Div4 Goodguys Hammer award winner | |||
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| DRR Elite |
The truck market was strong then too. I really enjoyed the PST's. Not everyone did. Curtis summed it up well though. NHRA isn't in the business of ruining racing intentionally. There are plenty of unintended consequences with some of their decisions. Hindsight it 20/20 though. Easy to look back and say this or that was a mistake. Foxtrot Juliet Bravo | |||
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