It seems every business is looking to cut costs and that is understandable to a point. Hear about too many tracks not having an ambulance on site and it's got to be because of costs. My local track always had the local ambulance service and it wasn't something you thought about. Then one week a track employee got injured and I realized there was no ambulance on site. Evidently they cut costs and had an EMT working the ticket booth and that was now good enough. It took some time and you could hear the siren in the distance as it responded.
I've been at other tracks where they had an ambulance on site but it didn't have any lettering on it. I asked a track employee and it was the tracks ambulance but it couldn't leave the property, it wasn't licensed for that. So despite the fact there was an ambulance they would have to call an ambulance for transport.
Just how much does it cost for a track to have an ambulance on site?
It's probably dependent on location and whatever the insurance carrier specifies the minimum standard of care must be...I work at a local dirt track that runs a few races a year. The track is on a state-owned fairgrounds property, so the insurance requires a fully-stocked, fully compliant ambulance with a minimum of two licensed EMTs in the unit to be present before a car turns a wheel on the track. This is in California, so the price is probably higher than other areas, but it's $2,000/day (8 hours) for them to sit there. If they have to transport anybody, it becomes a whole other story. And, if the ambulance does have to leave, racing stops until it either returns or another unit can be brought on site...
In NJ an ambulance has to on the property at any track I've ever raced at...
I can recall sitting and no cars going down the track because the ambulance had to take someone out for treatment from a Bee Sting....Island Dragway
Had to call for another local ambulance and wait.
Etown always had an ambulance and EMT's down by the finishline...
Atco as far as I can recall the same story....No ambulance, no cars go down the track
Our track has an EMT on site in a truck with rescue equipment. Our starter is also a firefighter.
EMT though in our state isn't like a paramedic, which would be better. Much more experience.
Also where our track is located there is usually an ambulance not very far away because of the way the local company places their trucks on stand by. Fire and rescue is pretty close also.
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Every track I have ever raced at had at least one ambulance and some places even had 2, one at the starting line and one at the finishing lines. I would always wave at the guys sitting there as I exited the track.
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I can recall that as well. Also in NJ the state police have jurisdiction over drag racing.
That said, racers don’t care about safety equipment, you think they care if an ambulance and EMTs are onsite?This message has been edited. Last edited by: 1320racer,
Even at tracks that have an ambulance on site most states have to have one come to transport so as to keep one on site in case of ****her need
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So the dreaded insurance companies and lawyers are the ones that we are dependent on to force on site ambulances? Every time the subject comes up it's always about the bare minimum that racks need to get by the insurance regulations. Most of the tracks we race at are sanctioned. The sanction seems to mean little as far as safety and what we think they are there for in the bracket world.
fivecentcharlie, Thanks for the dollar figure. I've been at tracks where there was an incident where they had to transport and no racing took place until the ambulance was back in place.
Very common practice to have a track owned and adequately equipped, to a certain level ambulance on site, with an EMT or two, transports require another ambulance.
Some places will "rent" an ambulance and crew for the race hours from a local service or fire department, but if it goes into service racing stops until it's back on station. That's an iffy way to run.
Staffing is the biggest problem for on-site EMT services.
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When you're ready for $250-$300 entry fees, step to the front of the line.
Like you've never raced on a dark country road with nothing to help you in case of an incident. N#*%a please!
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I remember being at a dirt track in WV once and they shut down racing till the ambulance came back. A dirt track in WV can have an ambulance and a drag strip can't?
I took 2 ambulance rides in Novemeber...
First one was more or less an emergency and to the nearest facility that has a Cath. Lab...
Second one was just to be transported to another hospital for a second procedure done as an elective
Both trips were shown billed at way over $8000 with 2 men per trip.
Of course Medicare does not pay anywhere near that amount and I did have to pay a fairly low amount myself...
Ambulance services are far from cheap
I have heard that a Lifeflight Helicopter transport is $25,000++ from an accident to the second hospital where I went to....a Level One Trauma center.
An acquaintance of mine used to race motorcycles in the desert. He crashed one time and they airlifted him from the crash site to the hospital 12 miles away. He had a very badly broken shoulder and several ribs and I don't know what all aid they rendered before and during the flight, but the bill was $72,000....
Some tracks here buy an older ambulance, and staff it with two certified emt's. I have no illusion that it is a fully stocked ambulance. Mostly they are there to stabilize a victim until transfering to a real ambulance.
Let's say that to hire a service is $2000/day, which I suspect is on the light side. That is the total payout of two classes on most local points races for some perspective. So, how much more would entry be? 2000/total car count I suppose. Maybe $20 more per race day. Or expect tracks that are just making it to absorb it somehow which is the answer a lot of racers seem to have. And raise the payout while you are at it.
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Last I was told was it is around 2K for the day to Have an ambulance on site. I thought all states required an ambulance on site, but could be wrong
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Of course, no denying I was young and unlike many I have recall of it. I also remember seeing a local streetracer die. Also remember the first time I went down a strip the great feeling of no traffic or other things to worry about. I remember the Drag Safari and Big Willie getting street racers on a safe track instead of the street. I remember the idea of NHRA was to give people safe place to race.
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Can not swear to this. I do not remember seeing ambulance at local track,but they are about 1/2 mile or less from fire station and that might be why.
Might sound bad but I have never really looked for one there and that might be why never seen it. Hey its great to have when needed. Just not something I want to see, so probably just did not pay attention.
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A ambulance being there doesn't spell sheet. A qualified EMS crew in a suitably equipped ambulance that can transport a person is what is important. Ask the your track the questions as to what qualifications and abilities the EMS crew has and if they can transport. You will probably get a unpleasant answer .......
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On the cost of air transport. In MD when you purchase your tags part of the fee goes to support the states fleet of medical copters. You need one it is free. My step son was shot hunting when he was 12 in WV. Granted I had some influence but they came and took him from Wheeling, WV to Baltimore--FREE. I also have this on my coach net RV insurance.
My 8 mile helicopter ride was $36,000. For that amount they could have closed the darn door, it was freezing cold.
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