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Bracket Talk Bracket Talk Forum General Discussion - by FTI How much does it cost to have an ambulance on site??Go | New | Find | Notify | Tools | Reply | |
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 Foxtrot Juliet Bravo | |||
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What the heck??? The helicopter my son was the medic on was heated and air conditioned. Only way to fly. I got to go for a "test" flight in it once. Very cool when you are sitting up in a seat and not strapped to a gurney. ____________________________ 2017 and 2018 Osage Casinos Tulsa Raceway Park No-Box Champion 2018 Div4 Goodguys Hammer award winner | |||
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Whether it be for insurance or sanctioning body reasons,I always just assumed an ambulance was part of the equation to running a track. I never knew it was "optional". Interesting post. | |||
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You know where there is an ambulance and EMTs ready to roll? Every NHRA Camping World and Lucas Oil Drag Racing Series event and my home track Numidia Dragway! | |||
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https://ua-rtip.org/sites/ua-r...bulance_location.pdf Site I found that appears to have some of the states laws in regards to ambulances and motor sports | |||
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That looks like it relates to horse racing ____________________________ 2017 and 2018 Osage Casinos Tulsa Raceway Park No-Box Champion 2018 Div4 Goodguys Hammer award winner | |||
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| DRR Sportsman |
Could be right | |||
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Looking inside what is sitting there can be an eye opener. Foxtrot Juliet Bravo | |||
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Yea,I've seen an old hearse standing by that didn't even start,but at least it created the optics of an ambulance on the scene. That is one good thing about NHRA National and Divisional events.They don't seem to have this issue. | |||
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Currently, in North Central Iowa the going rate to have a certified ambulance equipped with 2 EMTs or paramedics is $225.00 an hour (6 hour minimum once scheduled). Whether it is raining or cleaning an oil down the "meter is running". In Iowa, at least a few years ago, the on site ambulance was not allowed to leave the property to transfer patients, they had to stabilize and wait for a ambulance for transfer to hospital or a helicopter. The local track I race at does not have a certified ambulance on site and it is NHRA sanctioned, I wish they had one but they don't. My guess is with that expense of $2500-$3000 a day the track would close. That is a guess, not fact but I can do math pretty good on entry fees and payouts. Personal responsibility still rules but some "professional help" when needed would be important for sure. | |||
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Safety Costs Money....If you want to race after dark you have to have Lighting...No one disputes that,No one should dispute having a a Dedicated Rescue Squad at the Track when,racing Vehicles are on Track. That last sentence should be an edict issued by the Sanctioning body. That edict should include a minimum Staffing requirement of 1 EMT and 1 Paramedic for the Rescue Squad. Because local Hospitals Medical Control issues Protocols for the EMS Personnel to operate under and those Protocols do differ Regionally, the mandate that at least 1 Paramedic would provide the potential for Critical Care interventions Should come from the Sanctioning Body Period.Having an " Ambulance" parked on site provides ONLY for a Vehicle that could be used for Transportation. Without the proper staffing, training and equipment that "Ambulance" isn't of much value. NHRA is great at legislating "Requirements" but fall short of consistent application and Enforcement. Heavy thermal barrier protective clothing for Drivers that is "tagged" is required for the faster categories yet their own Safety Personnel roll up to a burning crashed vehicle in less rated Gear than the Driver they hope to assist. Any WTF(well trained firefighter shakes his head at their response to those Fires SCBA for respiratory protection? not seen on any Safety Safari Personnel. Safety is a shared responsibility and it is expensive..Not trying to put a Dimmer on ED's spotlight on the NHRA but as Leaders and Legislators they need be the Enforcers for all Tracks under their Umbrella, IHRA as well. Like I said, We don't race in the Dark without lights.....Why would we... | |||
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Too much. Even skydivers near me can't afford one. | |||
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Well I left the keyboard world and went to the source. I was at the local ambulance service and got a quote, For 2 paramedics and a real live ambulance it's $100 per hour. They work the local ball games and festivals, not as risky an event as auto racing. Next stop will be the life flight helicopter. I've always wanted the info as the county I live in doesn't have a trauma center to all the local hospital does is package you for the helicopter ride. | |||
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Excellent comments. BG | |||
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There are enough experts in here to pool together and buy one of the 5 or 6 good facilities for sale right now..... goob- just saying "Despite the high cost of living, it remains popular." Dave Cook N375 | |||
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Frankly, the more I learn about the expenses of running a bracket race, I don't know how many of the places I go to compete can turn any sort of a profit. In fact, I can't see how they aren't losing money on bracket events. Take care. Tom Worthington If it seems that bracket racing has gotten too expensive for you, maybe you are just doing it wrong. | |||
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Bracket events are a net loss Tom. Test and tunes keep the gates open, and a couple of heavy spectator events a season, a guy with another job, or ability to live on nothing, can operate a track. Retaining $10 for every car that went down the track was a good bracket night. "Despite the high cost of living, it remains popular." Dave Cook N375 | |||
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I absolutely believe that. Test and tune, plus the spectators it draws, is the live blood of local tracks in this area. How bracket racers have the nerve to complain about the size of the purse, or not having an ambulance crew on stand by, simply amazes me. They must be thinking of back in the day, when bracket racing was the big (only?) draw. Take care. Tom Worthington If it seems that bracket racing has gotten too expensive for you, maybe you are just doing it wrong. | |||
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The biggest risk at the dragstrip isn't necessarily on the track. I've seen people injured in the pits over the years quite often. Last year at a Divisional race,I saw a friend of mine at fuel check.His fuel passed,he walked away and tripped over something.He was bleeding pretty bad from his head,but the ambulance crew was there in just a few moments.Took good care of him and to the hospital for observation. | |||
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You guys bring up some interesting points. In the past I usually checked to make sure there was an ambulance there and last few years just take it for granted. Now with the Economy getting much worse, everything getting more expensive and car count down maybe I better start paying more attention again. I know when we sign a waiver when we enter the track it is to limit their liability in case of an accident. BUT we also assume they are taking what we consider basic safety measures being Ambulance, have Fire Extinguishers etc. "Biggest risk is not necessarily on the track" True. I often feel it is more risky towing to the track than actually racing. People change lanes right in front of you, slam on brakes, pull out in front of you when you going 60 and they are doing 23 MPH. Also seen kids racing around the pits on quad runners, three wheelers etc. And seen some people racing through the pits and throwing stuff when they lose. On the track we are in a controlled environment as much as possible with all the safety precautions we can reasonably take. Still as we know this week there are some risks. https://postimg.cc/gallery/np3zpruo/ "Dunning-Kruger Effect" -a type of Cognitive bias where people with little expertise or ability assume they have superior expertise or ability. This overestimation occurs as a result of the fact that they do not have enough knowledge to know they don't have enough knowledge. Before you argue with someone ask yourself, "Is this person mentally mature enough to grasp the concept of a different perspective?" If not there is no point to argue. 4X NE2 CHAMPION. 2020 TDRA NE2 Champion | |||
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