If 19 blue state do as they said when they joined the Popular vote pledge. They basically said they would cast electorals for the onew with the popular vote. Total would be 528 to 12 . So we call that a$$ whipping.

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Originally posted by Goob:

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Originally posted by BP758:

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Originally posted by Goob:
More than anything, this election exposed the truth of the 2020 election fraud.
14-16 + MILLION missing voters.

I'll be holding my breath for the apologies coming to my fellow election deniers.

I’ve read everything. They certainly didn’t rig this election did they?
I’m beginning to think Americans were just that stupid last time!
This time they’ve swapped feet!


It’s just my opinion

Dude, just look at the TOTAL votes from '12, '16, '20, and '24 and do the math.

There were nearly 20 MILLION "new" voters from '16 to'20, and in '24, "the most important election of our lifetime", with "record turnouts", just do the math.
Somewhere between 14 and 20 MILLION just appear, and disappear.


I firmly believe that the '16 and '20 elections were EXACTLY the same, just not as much cheating in '20.

Correction more cheating in 2020. That when the magic 20 million appear. Thats when a man who never got 1% vote in his own party just happened to get more votes than anyone in history.

Lets not forget that most all states won by Harris did not hgave voter Id requirement, Most of them pledge to cast electorals for one who won popular vote. Taking bets on that last one too.

Where is the proof other than conspiracy?
I’ve voted right my entire life and I believe the left got put in their place!
I still think Americans woke up and showed up!
Just my opinion and I’m not trying to pizz off anyone.
Do I believe it was 100% accurate? He!! No!

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do the math

Source?
Same thing in 1992/96 ?

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Source?

Election results are readily available on Wikipedia, just search for "United States presidential election" with the year in front of it. I compiled them. There are additional sources cited at the bottom of each election year's page.

2020 will be in question for a long time to come. Was it massive turnout? Cheating? Poor tabulation? Media influence?

Lots of questions. Likely never get a solid, realistic answer.

After living through Carter to Reagan years, could have just been voter sentiment. Some listened to propagander/arguement on risk of Trump 2nd term and took Biden in 20. Fast forward to 24 and many just jumped ship based on real results and real impact on life/family. They may have decided to either vote Trump or skip entirely.

I do not have any real answers but can see where uniform voting rules and with proof of vote eligibility is a good idea. Right now in many areas there is no verifiable paper trail.

The magnitude of victory is big when the negative influences are considered in my opinion.

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Originally posted by Goob:

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Originally posted by BP758:

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Originally posted by Goob:
More than anything, this election exposed the truth of the 2020 election fraud.
14-16 + MILLION missing voters.

I'll be holding my breath for the apologies coming to my fellow election deniers.

I’ve read everything. They certainly didn’t rig this election did they?
I’m beginning to think Americans were just that stupid last time!
This time they’ve swapped feet!


It’s just my opinion

Dude, just look at the TOTAL votes from '12, '16, '20, and '24 and do the math.

There were nearly 20 MILLION "new" voters from '16 to'20, and in '24, "the most important election of our lifetime", with "record turnouts", just do the math.
Somewhere between 14 and 20 MILLION just appear, and disappear.

I firmly believe that the '16 and '20 elections were EXACTLY the same, just not as much cheating in '16.

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Originally posted by wideopen231:

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Originally posted by Goob:

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Originally posted by BP758:

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Originally posted by Goob:
More than anything, this election exposed the truth of the 2020 election fraud.
14-16 + MILLION missing voters.

I'll be holding my breath for the apologies coming to my fellow election deniers.

I’ve read everything. They certainly didn’t rig this election did they?
I’m beginning to think Americans were just that stupid last time!
This time they’ve swapped feet!


It’s just my opinion

Dude, just look at the TOTAL votes from '12, '16, '20, and '24 and do the math.

There were nearly 20 MILLION "new" voters from '16 to'20, and in '24, "the most important election of our lifetime", with "record turnouts", just do the math.
Somewhere between 14 and 20 MILLION just appear, and disappear.


I firmly believe that the '16 and '20 elections were EXACTLY the same, just not as much cheating in '20.

Correction more cheating in 2020. That when the magic 20 million appear. Thats when a man who never got 1% vote in his own party just happened to get more votes than anyone in history.

Got me....

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do the math

Your chart differs greatly from the FEC 2020 PDF, and I had not seen any "official" 2024 count yet.

https://www.fec.gov/resources/...020presgeresults.pdf


I had not seen that number for '24 yet, me thinks they're trying to pump it up.

Upon further review, the numbers have been going up every day since Nov. 6th, as would be expected.

Still 2020 was 30 MILLION more total votes than any in history. Then everyone took a nap for 2024.

Not buying that.

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Originally posted by BP758:
Where is the proof other than conspiracy?
I’ve voted right my entire life and I believe the left got put in their place!
I still think Americans woke up and showed up!
Just my opinion and I’m not trying to pizz off anyone.
Do I believe it was 100% accurate? He!! No!

I was watching at 3-ish A.M. when the vote dump started happening, over 2 million rang up for Bitem and ZERO for Trump.

Everything that we saw in 2020 was at best statistical anomaly, if not just downright impossible without massive cheating.

It was November 6th or so in 2020 before I publicly declared shenanigans. Been trying to sort that math ever since, and it just NEVER adds up.

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Originally posted by Goob:

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Originally posted by BP758:
Where is the proof other than conspiracy?
I’ve voted right my entire life and I believe the left got put in their place!
I still think Americans woke up and showed up!
Just my opinion and I’m not trying to pizz off anyone.
Do I believe it was 100% accurate? He!! No!

I was watching at 3-ish A.M. when the vote dump started happening, over 2 million rang up for Bitem and ZERO for Trump.

Everything that we saw in 2020 was at best statistical anomaly, if not just downright impossible without massive cheating.

It was November 6th or so in 2020 before I publicly declared shenanigans. Been trying to sort that math ever since, and it just NEVER adds up.

This! Trump was leading by about 5 to 6% in most of the swing States when they stopped counting at Midnight and I went to sleep. Then truckloads of "Ballots" comes in and almost everyone of them that came in after midnight was for Biden and they started counting again at 3:00 AM. Statistically impossible. I understand some counties may lean more one direction than the other but not 23,000 to 13! They blocked Republican vote watchers out of the area using the excuse of Covid and one place they said there was a plumbing leak. They ran everyone out of the building, slid boxes of "Ballots" out from under table and Biden mysteriously won. If they had nothing to hide why did they run the people out before they brought in the special ballots?

I firmly believe there was MASSIVE VOTER FRAUD in 2020. with that said I think it may turn out for the better. People see how corrupt and evil the Democrats are. Cheating, lying, weaponizing DOJ and FBI and even assassination attempts.

People are starting to realize how dirty the lying Media is now. So with the people starting to open their eyes to the problem maybe we can get positive change.

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Originally posted by Goob:

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Originally posted by BP758:
Where is the proof other than conspiracy?
I’ve voted right my entire life and I believe the left got put in their place!
I still think Americans woke up and showed up!
Just my opinion and I’m not trying to pizz off anyone.
Do I believe it was 100% accurate? He!! No!

I was watching at 3-ish A.M. when the vote dump started happening, over 2 million rang up for Bitem and ZERO for Trump.

Everything that we saw in 2020 was at best statistical anomaly, if not just downright impossible without massive cheating.

It was November 6th or so in 2020 before I publicly declared shenanigans. Been trying to sort that math ever since, and it just NEVER adds up.

Not sure the exact odds of that many votes fort one poerson and zero for the other. Pretty sure close to winning powerball and Mega million same week.

I believe that it was Lara Trump and their team that stopped them from stealing the election this year.

Note, the same ones who were cheating last time said there was nothing wrong with that election. Biden said one time 2020 was our most fair and honest election ever. Seriously doubt Biden was even told of how they did it. He is not all there mentally and he says what is on his mind and $h!t$ his pants.

My understanding one of Trumps priorities is to make sure of National Election security, that all votes are counted and only counted once. That only American citizens are able to vote for America.

His other main agendas is getting rid of Deep State and Two Tiered Justice System and of course stop illegal immigration.

I believe he may be first President in 75 years that does something to lower deficit and taxes. Get our Government on a real budget and force them to stick to it. Eliminate Government waste and fraud. That will upset a lot in both parties because they benefit from the pork barrel spending and kickbacks and money laundering. That is the idea with Trump hiring Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy to head that Department. Even as important as it is there will be a lot of resistance so we will see how that goes.

Many gutless rinos in Congress!
It will take a lot of arm twisting and dire threats to get some of them to see the light!

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Originally posted by Curly1:
I believe that it was Lara Trump and their team that stopped them from stealing the election this year.

Note, the same ones who were cheating last time said there was nothing wrong with that election. Biden said one time 2020 was our most fair and honest election ever. Seriously doubt Biden was even told of how they did it. He is not all there mentally and he says what is on his mind and $h!t$ his pants.

My understanding one of Trumps priorities is to make sure of National Election security, that all votes are counted and only counted once. That only American citizens are able to vote for America.

His other main agendas is getting rid of Deep State and Two Tiered Justice System and of course stop illegal immigration.

I believe he may be first President in 75 years that does something to lower deficit and taxes. Get our Government on a real budget and force them to stick to it. Eliminate Government waste and fraud. That will upset a lot in both parties because they benefit from the pork barrel spending and kickbacks and money laundering. That is the idea with Trump hiring Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy to head that Department. Even as important as it is there will be a lot of resistance so we will see how that goes.

I hope he can do what he says. Boy he has Gov on blast!

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Your chart differs greatly from the FEC 2020 PDF, and I had not seen any "official" 2024 count yet.

https://www.fec.gov/resources/...020presgeresults.pdf

Those FEC numbers actually include all of the 3rd Party candidates. The wikipedia numbers were actually pretty close for the two major party candidates.

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Still 2020 was 30 MILLION more total votes than any in history.

This is not even close to true. 2024 vote totals are less than 8 Million lower than 2020 (which isn't even finalized yet, as you pointed out), with the second highest voter turnout percentage in history, only 2.5% lower than 2020. And once again, you are ignoring the higher voter turnout due to the widespread use of mail-in ballots.

What happened in 1992? What happened in 1996? What happened in 2004? All of these years had big swings in vote totals, WITHOUT mail in ballots, yet no one bats an eyelash at them.

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I believe he may be first President in 75 years that does something to lower deficit and taxes.

What? The deficit has been lowered numerous times over the years. Taxes have also been lowered now and then. I'll assume that you meant to say national debt rather than deficit. Anyway, those are things that we should have been able to expect from Trump in his first term, but we got %^$&ed HARD with increases in spending even BEFORE covid. Trump made a deal with Pelos to suspend the debt ceiling and eliminate budget caps so that they could ALL spend EVEN MORE, and then things got astronomically worse with covid. $8 Trillion in new debt in just four years in INSANITY. That's how Washington works. They can never agree on what to cut, but they're really good at agreeing to allow both sides to spend more. I sure hope that all these people actually do what they've promised for once. 'Course Trump wanted to spend an additional $2 Trillion on infrastructure in his first term, which they haven't even gotten around to yet... so there goes that $2 Trillion in spending that Musk is supposed to cut.

FY2024 numbers are in, and we spent MORE than what we did when we dumped TRILLIONS of dollars into the economy in "covid emergency relief"... WITHOUT an "emergency".

Summary for Fiscal Year 2024

We spent nearly one trillion dollars just in the net interest on the debt in one year.

Since 2019, federal tax revenue has increased $1.456 Trillion (42%) (and we are still operating under Trump's tax reform). In that same time frame, spending has increased $2.305 Trillion (51%). We are collecting SO much revenue that if we had used 2019's budget this year, we would've had a $472 Billion surplus and could've started paying down out debt.

You cannot forget the Biden administration stuck it to the Amish with milk homogenization. That vote showed up big in Penn!