They are going to RERUN the entire Round 3 of Super Comp for a timing system issue.

I raced in Stock and I was getting some unusually good lights for me.

What could be the issue?

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Look at some of the numbers in the round.Obviously "something" not right.

I know there has been issues with the sun messing with timers certain time of the day but don’t know if hat was it.

I've always heard that referred to as the 'lazy photocell.' RT is late, and ET is quick by the same amount.

Sometimes it is obvious, but sometimes it is only .02-.04 and you'll have a hard time convincing the track staff that there is an issue.

Wasnt there an issue with the same class and possibly some of the same drivers at the Div 3 race in may ?

I was one of the people involved in this fiasco. First, it wasn't sunny really. I only saw one pair that was obviously strange. Truth was most of us lost fair and square. There was nothing funny about my 3rd round numbers.

I've been .90 racing 34 years, and have never heard of a complete rerun of a round. Maybe a couple of pairs, but a whole round? Naturally, there were some upset winners. I heard one racer remark that he would have stayed at the trailer. It was a very difficult thing to be involved in. In hindsight I regret going back for the rerun.My guy beat me fair and square. No one seemed to know why the entire round was involved. Wanting to win so bad that you leave your honor at the trailer makes for a hollow victory. I got spanked the second time, so no harm done. I haven' t checked yet, but I wonder how many races were changed? That's where the real story is. The rerun left a bad taste in my mouth.
I'll take this opportunity to publicly apologize to my opponent Mr Schneider for participating in the mess. He handled it very well. I've never won jack **** doing this, but until now, I never lost anything important either. I'd be curious how others would have handled a rerun call?

RIP

There were two pair with obviously screwy numbers.

After rerunning the round, the two drivers with bad numbers the first time around still lost. The outcome changed for two other pair.

Bad deal for sure.

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Originally posted by Lenny5160:
There were two pair with obviously screwy numbers.

After rerunning the round, the two drivers with bad numbers the first time around still lost. The outcome changed for two other pair.

Bad deal for sure.

I guess it depends on what defines a screwy number.

.252 and .571 are clearly not normal reaction times in Super Comp.

But then again,neither are .087,.054,.087, or .066 (left lane)

.006,.007,.016,.021.019.......were all in the right lane.

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Originally posted by 442OLDS:

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Originally posted by Lenny5160:
There were two pair with obviously screwy numbers.

After rerunning the round, the two drivers with bad numbers the first time around still lost. The outcome changed for two other pair.

Bad deal for sure.

I guess it depends on what defines a screwy number.

.252 and .571 are clearly not normal reaction times in Super Comp.

But then again,neither are .087,.054,.087, or .066 (left lane)

.006,.007,.016,.021.019.......were all in the right lane.

Looking at it a little more closely, you are correct. For the most part, the drivers that had those uncharacteristically late lights were better the second time around, and their 60', 330', etc times were better by roughly the same amount. It is always difficult to pin down ET changes with throttle stops, but most people are set up to at least get consistent 60' times.

I guess it underscored the point I made in my first post, about it being easy to tell when the numbers are WAY off, but tougher to tell and/or prove when it is only a couple hundredths.

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Originally posted by SC4400:
I'd be curious how others would have handled a rerun call?

RIP

I admire your thoughts on the matter. Hindsight certainly gives you a chance to think on it more clearly. You can't be faulted for going to the lanes as instructed for the re-run. I'm sure you were totally unprepared for all this to go down.

I've only been asked to re-run once that I can recall. I had an .013 light, and my opponent had a .001 light. He crossed the stripe first (going 20mph faster at the stripe than me), but the win light came on in my lane. When we got our time slips, his was correct at the R/T, 330', 660' and 1000' increments, but blank for 1/4 mile speed and ET. My numbers were all correct. I didn't get all that aggravated about being instructed to re-run, but my opponent and the officials acted like he would have for sure been the winner due to his .001 light, and I was being a jerk for asking questions about the timing system. I had an .013 light, and ran .01 over my dial. My opponent took so much stripe I feel sure he likely broke out.

Anyway, re-runs are always a bad deal. Nobody's fault really, and no perfect answers.

Always show up for the re-run. If there is no ladder, they may be paired with someone else. If you are present, you can make sure they advance to the next round.

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Originally posted by 442OLDS:
They are going to RERUN the entire Round 3 of Super Comp for a timing system issue.

I raced in Stock and I was getting some unusually good lights for me.

What could be the issue?

Reruns are not good because the person who lost is happy and ready to kill the tree as he got a second chance and the person who won is unhappy .so I think the run that there is a malfunction should be this way .Best two out of three runs ,To determine the winner of that race

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Originally posted by Don Kennedy:

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Originally posted by 442OLDS:
They are going to RERUN the entire Round 3 of Super Comp for a timing system issue.

I raced in Stock and I was getting some unusually good lights for me.

What could be the issue?

Reruns are not good because the person who lost is happy and ready to kill the tree as he got a second chance and the person who won is unhappy .so I think the run that there is a malfunction should be this way .Best two out of three runs ,To determine the winner of that race

But, the one with the bad light may start adjusting his/her Delay Box thinking they missed the tree and could now be red, unless they looked at all the incrementals and compared them to a good run and maybe, just maybe realize that they should leave it all alone.......

Tough call, but they had to make it fair for everyone.

Reruns can be like Pandora's Box if you not careful...

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Originally posted by Lenny5160:

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Originally posted by 442OLDS:

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Originally posted by Lenny5160:
There were two pair with obviously screwy numbers.

After rerunning the round, the two drivers with bad numbers the first time around still lost. The outcome changed for two other pair.

Bad deal for sure.

I guess it depends on what defines a screwy number.

.252 and .571 are clearly not normal reaction times in Super Comp.

But then again,neither are .087,.054,.087, or .066 (left lane)

.006,.007,.016,.021.019.......were all in the right lane.

Looking at it a little more closely, you are correct. For the most part, the drivers that had those uncharacteristically late lights were better the second time around, and their 60', 330', etc times were better by roughly the same amount. It is always difficult to pin down ET changes with throttle stops, but most people are set up to at least get consistent 60' times.

I guess it underscored the point I made in my first post, about it being easy to tell when the numbers are WAY off, but tougher to tell and/or prove when it is only a couple hundredths.

By 60' and 330' being better, do you mean quicker than the suspect run or more inline to where they were the previous runs?

Rip,

You did the right thing. In some of these instances you have to go with the flow. Remember, whether you like it or not the track or sanctioning body has the power. They say rerun then you either rerun or go home, simple as that.

Pivotdoc got in a deal last year, the race was running late, it was time for the “show” and the track manager told everyone left “you’re done, load your cars up”. Nobody liked it but what choice did they have?

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Originally posted by BLIND MULE 2217:
By 60' and 330' being better, do you mean quicker than the suspect run or more inline to where they were the previous runs?

In every case where the driver in the left lane was dead late, the 60' time on the 'bad' run in the third round was quicker than both the rerun 60' and the second round 60'. Sometimes by just a couple hundredths, sometimes by a lot. It somewhat depends on how much the R/T was off in the bad run. But there is a consistent pattern.

Would love to know what caused the issue, and I bet the track does also!

Norwalk installed fiber optic a few yrs back i believe. Dont know if that helps or not.