Felony charge for cheating in fishing tournament

March 15, 2019, 07:44 AM

racerdude2054

There has been discussion in the racing community comparing big money bracket races to big money fishing tournaments. Fishing tournaments are highly regulated and even use polygraph tests at times. The article below is about a man who was arrested with felony charges in Texas for cheating in a fishing tournament. I thought this may bring up interesting discussion

https://www.star-telegram.com/...rticle227741894.html

March 15, 2019, 08:41 AM

ferndaleflyer

Probably never happen in bracket racing as first no one checks and the ones that know what to look for aren't letting the cat out of the bag. I know some races do some kind of a check but do they really know what they are looking for?Then there are the foot brake racers with 4 buttons on the steering wheel that aren't using them, right. Get them out of the car, suspicion gone!

March 15, 2019, 10:10 AM

Richard Hammond

quote:
Originally posted by ferndaleflyer:
Probably never happen in bracket racing as first no one checks and the ones that know what to look for aren't letting the cat out of the bag. I know some races do some kind of a check but do they really know what they are looking for?Then there are the foot brake racers with 4 buttons on the steering wheel that aren't using them, right. Get them out of the car, suspicion gone!

There’s been plenty of tech at big money bracket races. What makes you think there is no one that knows how to tech a car in the first place? I know Cody Harger has been hired a few times to do tech at some big money races. I’d like to have a discussion on what exactly people think is being used in today’s big money races. I’m talking electronics class.

March 15, 2019, 10:18 AM

WHOMPWHOMP

PLEASE..

March 15, 2019, 10:29 AM

Bucky

quote:
Originally posted by Richard Hammond:
quote:
Originally posted by ferndaleflyer:
Probably never happen in bracket racing as first no one checks and the ones that know what to look for aren't letting the cat out of the bag. I know some races do some kind of a check but do they really know what they are looking for?Then there are the foot brake racers with 4 buttons on the steering wheel that aren't using them, right. Get them out of the car, suspicion gone!

There’s been plenty of tech at big money bracket races. What makes you think there is no one that knows how to tech a car in the first place? I know Cody Harger has been hired a few times to do tech at some big money races. I’d like to have a discussion on what exactly people think is being used in today’s big money races. I’m talking electronics class.

Fair question IMO. I hear a lot of people assume that there is cheating going on because it is easier than explaining why they are not winning themselves. Is there any evidence that there is actual cheating going on?

March 15, 2019, 11:52 AM

Canted Valve

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I hear a lot of people assume that there is cheating going on...

Cheating is the nature of the beast when it comes to mankind. Politicians come to mind, and the current university scandal. You have rule stretchers like Smokey Yunick then the blatant cheaters like the Dodge Boys, and as proven by the Glidden boys. Yes these examples aren't bracket racing but I defer to the nature of the beast statement. You make rules/laws/regulations to control people, people are going to cheat, it's a vicious circle.

March 15, 2019, 02:07 PM

BP758

What an idiot! Ray Charles could see that!

March 15, 2019, 02:44 PM

Tom396

I'm gonna have to start watching out for folks with scissors in the pits and/or staging lanes now, trying to trim their tails. Take care. Tom Worthington

March 15, 2019, 04:33 PM

ferndaleflyer

I remember many years ago before some of you were born and many more were to young to be aware. As I traveled all over the country to the added purse races I begin to notice that this same group that always seemed to park together seemed to get to the short lines at every race and most of the time would not even consider any kind of split. Many I mentioned this to were concerned but that was it. Not long after a conversation with Bob Harris about a fellow named Ron Erks at Rockingham that mess got broke up when someone presented Bill Bader Sr with a Matty Box and a list of those who were using it. So---you can stick your head in the sand if you think it don't go on. They are stealing from racers period. Right now I have no suspects, but am not so nieve as to dismiss it as never happening.

March 15, 2019, 05:20 PM

herbjr

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Comp

From a very well known NHRA tech inspector, if they aren’t hooking a lap top up to the MSD boxes they aren’t checking anything. Now we know a 7al2 or 6 whatever doesn’t use a laptop.

March 15, 2019, 07:55 PM

Richard Hammond

quote:
Originally posted by ferndaleflyer:
I remember many years ago before some of you were born and many more were to young to be aware. As I traveled all over the country to the added purse races I begin to notice that this same group that always seemed to park together seemed to get to the short lines at every race and most of the time would not even consider any kind of split. Many I mentioned this to were concerned but that was it. Not long after a conversation with Bob Harris about a fellow named Ron Erks at Rockingham that mess got broke up when someone presented Bill Bader Sr with a Matty Box and a list of those who were using it. So---you can stick your head in the sand if you think it don't go on. They are stealing from racers period. Right now I have no suspects, but am not so nieve as to dismiss it as never happening.

How about bringing something from this century to the table.

March 15, 2019, 08:19 PM

Bucky

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Originally posted by stk 758 BP!:
What an idiot! Ray Charles could see that!

What an excuse really.
Of course I can't say that cheating hasn't happened. It has. I can't even say it isn't happening. If you suspect something, say something. What makes you suspect you have been a victim of cheating? What did you do about it?

March 15, 2019, 10:16 PM

markemark

quote:
Originally posted by Richard Hammond:
There’s been plenty of tech at big money bracket races. What makes you think there is no one that knows how to tech a car in the first place? I know Cody Harger has been hired a few times to do tech at some big money races. I’d like to have a discussion on what exactly people think is being used in today’s big money races. I’m talking electronics class.

Having a Cody Harger advertised as the known ignition inspector will definitely detour illegal cheating and insure the event participants are legal.

I personally think that the racers winning these major bracket races are in No Way cheating. I also think that everyone else is also legal. Can you name anyone in a high dollar bracket race in 2018 shown and confirmed to be illegal and cheating?

My reasoning is this. If you’re cheating and not winning perhaps you should try something different. If you’re cheating and winning it’s very easy to catch this if using a MSD ignition.

I think policing cars with a Holley Dominator EFI ignition could be much harder to verify legal than anything MSD.

March 16, 2019, 10:09 AM

Roger McGinnis

I find it humorous that so many have their heads in the sand when it comes to cheating. I guarantee that if a big purse is advertised, their will be someone trying to circumvent the outcome. I was in Larue Ohio one night when Bill Guthery ran Connolly off the property. Once at Div 4 Hallsville, quite a few SC racers had to leave the property early. I'm not saying that sportsmen aren't winning, I'm just wanting to share that a lot of good racers might be eliminated early.

March 16, 2019, 10:19 AM

DLR

It may not be happening at the big dollar bracket races, I cant confirm that at all. But I can tell you its happening at local tracks. Seen it first hand when a guy got caught red handed. If you watch someone long enough you'll figure out who they are. It always amazed me what people would do just to win regardless of consequences.

March 16, 2019, 10:50 AM

Richard Hammond

quote:
Originally posted by Roger McGinnis:
I find it humorous that so many have their heads in the sand when it comes to cheating. I guarantee that if a big purse is advertised, their will be someone trying to circumvent the outcome. I was in Larue Ohio one night when Bill Guthery ran Connolly off the property. Once at Div 4 Hallsville, quite a few SC racers had to leave the property early. I'm not saying that sportsmen aren't winning, I'm just wanting to share that a lot of good racers might be eliminated early.

Explain why Connolly was run off the property.When did this happen and why? Why did quite a few SC racers have to leave the track?

March 16, 2019, 10:52 AM

Richard Hammond

quote:
Originally posted by DLR:
It may not be happening at the big dollar bracket races, I cant confirm that at all. But I can tell you its happening at local tracks. Seen it first hand when a guy got caught red handed. If you watch someone long enough you'll figure out who they are. It always amazed me what people would do just to win regardless of consequences.

What did he get caught red handed doing? Who was it?

March 16, 2019, 11:15 AM

rusty

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Once at Div 4 Hallsville, quite a few SC racers had to leave the property

i saw that also,and was glad it happened

March 16, 2019, 11:36 AM

wideopen231

Suspended from competition I can see,even participation. Felony charge BS. The word felon carries too many unjustified punishment with it.
What you cheating at fishing tournament means you can't have a gun or maybe even vote?

March 16, 2019, 12:07 PM

Roger McGinnis

quote:
Originally posted by Richard Hammond:

Explain why Connolly was run off the property.When did this happen and why? Why did quite a few SC racers have to leave the track?

Late 90's on both. All cases due to not permitting a tech inspection.