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Bracket Talk Bracket Talk Forum General Discussion - by FTI Calling all Footbrakers!Go | New | Find | Notify | Tools | Reply | |
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| DRR Sportsman |
I meant no disrespect. I think if it was on paper a tie would be very interesting. I haven't seen it but would like to. My only point is the starting position of the tire wouldn't have an impact if the win light on a "tie" went one way or the other. BG | |||
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DRR Top Comp |
It doesn't matter what anyone else does. What matters is what fits YOU and YOUR car the best to reach your perfect 'spot' on the tree.
LOL! You've never driven a Volare! LOL It's very simply just another reaction time adjustment in the toolbox, when you've run out of other adjustments. Shallow, I'm only good for mid .020's at most tracks, and I'm out of adjustment beyond taking extra bumps. Deep, I have limitless adjustment options to find my optimum double-oh spot. I've gone to a glide with a transbrake this year, so hopefully I'll be able to throw enough RPM at it that I can be double-oh shallow, then I've got the Just-N-Time button for adjustments from there.
The effective rollout for Deep staging *can* vary, similar to shallow staging. All depends on how the beams are set up. Physical rollout for shallow staging is based solely upon the height of the Stage beam and how much of your front tire it 'sees' (although HOW your car exits the beams is another matter), while the physical rollout for Deep staging is the distance between the Pre-stage and Stage beams, regardless of your front tire size. So it's actually the opposite: 2 relevant beams for deep, 1 for shallow. You could actually throw the Pre-stage beam away and run a 'normal' race. __ Michael Beard - staginglight@gmail.com Staging Light Graphic Design, Printing & Event Marketing | |||
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| DRR Top Comp |
Correct, nor would a stripe taker. In bracket racing, the package is what it is: just math. __ Michael Beard - staginglight@gmail.com Staging Light Graphic Design, Printing & Event Marketing | |||
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DRR S/Pro |
Michael you are correct about the Volare. Must be murder in the Turismo or whatever it’s called. My experience footbraking is limited to my roadster and a mid 5.20s dragster. I just see so many guys around here that run really slow cars hitting the tree well. We don’t have the deep option. Would be fine with me if they allowed deep around here though. I really don’t care what anyone does on their side if it’s within the rules and in this case I know they are doing it. ____________________________ 2017 and 2018 Osage Casinos Tulsa Raceway Park No-Box Champion 2018 Div4 Goodguys Hammer award winner | |||
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| DRR Pro |
I liked the option of deepstaging when driving a much slower leaving/reacting car. However, at small tracks, the word "deep" on your windows frequently doesn't mean much and can lead to some hard feelings. I notice that at the big money footbrake events the tree is always held for deepstagers. I think that is how it should be. For myself, I doubt I'll ever try deepstaging again, at the small time stuff I run. Sort of the same issue you run into if you footbrake in Top, and find yourself being the quicker dialed car. Many small tracks have no idea what to do with that big circled "N" on your window.  Take care. Tom WorthingtonIf it seems that bracket racing has gotten too expensive for you, maybe you are just doing it wrong. | |||
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| DRR Trophy |
I bet if deep staging wasn't allowed, folks would find a way to make their cars leave quick enough. I get it for street type cars, race cars I don't. We have a perfectly fair timing system that doesn't require a man to hold the tree, but we have to over ride that for the deep stagers. Most of the cars deep staging can leave just fine shallow, they choose to deep stage. | |||
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| DRR Sportsman |
They could if they anticipated the last yellow, many cannot if trying to simply react to the flash. Anticipating the light is a method, but not the most preferred. BG | |||
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| DRR Trophy |
Tighter converters, different gear ratio's, better brakes, travel limiters. There are plenty of ways to make a 5-6 second car leave quick enough to cut a light. Build the car for the class, dont change the rules to suit the car combinations. Like I said, if deep staging wasn't allowed, folks would fix the cars to work for the class. | |||
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| DRR Sportsman |
Fair point on 5 and 6 second cars.. mid 7s not so much.. we need to promote this sport as much as possible. Someone who can go 7.30s and be successful turns into a regular and we need as many regulars as we can get IMO. I just don't see why anyone would object to letting someone go deep. BG | |||
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| DRR Trophy |
I do agree on the slower cars, I dont agree that half the field at a big money fb race has to deep stage. | |||
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| DRR Sportsman |
Having not deep staged in decades.....what is the average you change from shallow to deep on your particular setup. I was guessing it would be 0.020 to 0.030 but I am not sure. Probably more like 0.040 to 0.060 maybe I'll just try it....This message has been edited. Last edited by: BG7X77, BG | |||
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DRR Trophy |
Of course Deep staging has always been part drag racing,it's the ultimate tool you must have in your toolbox, it's been around since the Jr. Stocker era(we just didn't knock off the bulb most guys and gals understood how much rollout you had with our gigantic tires of the time). Also now if you have a slow reaction time you can adjust your car to leave on the second bulb. I did notice this past weekend many fast car were deep staging and leaving went the last yellow was going out(something new and worked for some) Anyways I mad as hell about NHRA removing deep staging for the Stock eliminator just to get ride of the front wheel drive and the real dime rockets out of the show to make more room for the Challengers, COPOs and Cobras but we need it in Brackets. Check out my Bracket Racing group on Facebook and join us also join my other group Jr. Stocker and check out the media content on both. Thanks | |||
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DRR S/Pro |
Sam Biondo won many races and almost always was deep staging going back to the early 80’s Generally no one else was but Sam knew everything there was to know about the starting line and rollout and the timing system of the time. If you raced him you could just about guarantee he would have a very good reaction time once RT’s were written on time slips. Saw him win and raced him myself a few times and that top light always went out on his side. He made it work for him that’s for sure. | |||
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