I am of a mixed mind on this issue...I do believe an alternative energy vehicle that is environment friendly is a good thing...at this time I do not think electric vehicles are the answer and may never be...the environmental cost to make these EV's is way too high...the draw on our power grid can become extremely problematic very soon...

The cost of battery replacement seems to be prohibitive at this time as well...I read disposal of these batteries is an ugly mess so that is an issue down the road also...life and range of EV's are serious drawbacks for most drivers...the cost of them without gubment subsidies is prohibitive for an awful lot of folks...

No, I am not a fan of EV's presently...maybe hydrogen or propane or something else might be a better answer at some point...I do feel that EV's are not the answer at this time...BTW, I think I saw that the NHRA has separated EV's into their own class for obvious reasons...

https://www.nbcnews.com/busine...hicle-fires-n1271084

First off, I am glad no firefighters got hurt trying to put out the fire on this Tesla - and honestly I don't care if Tesla makes it, Ford, GM or anyone else - the damned things are dangerous. Heck even recharging the battery packs for 1/10 scales can cause a fire if you get it wrong.

This particular story got me to thinking too - watch and see if home insurance companies don't start asking if you own/operate an EV and is it garaged, charged - whatever. That's going to key a substantial rate increase in your homeowners insurance policy - count on it.

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Originally posted by adv ET 266:
I hadn’t a clue EV Junior Dragsters exist. Interesting. I thought that class had very specific rules for power.

They allow electrics, but from a sanctioning stand....they are separate. But from a practical standpoint, it puts tracks in a sticky situation. If they have one electric that shows up, do they run them alone? Nobody will do the electric thing then.

There was a WSJ article a while back that claimed that over the life cycle of an EV, it would have a notably smaller carbon footprint. The article seemed to me to miss some significant issues down the line of manufacturing, and even they noted that our electric resources are becoming taxed even without the ev's. The grid upgrades will be challenging and expensive to all.

Someone else noted at well that the biggest impact is the moving of transportation polution from the urban areas to the rural areas. To me this concept smacks of urban elitism. The rural areas are just there to serve the urban areas in the minds of many city dwellers. They already send all of their trash our way. Certainly pushing more of the energy production and pollution production is the next step. If they could find a way to pipe their bodily wastes out to us certainly they would. I figure if they want to overpopulate and crowd into violent urban areas, they can figure out how to sustain themselves, and feed themselves for that matter. The biggest civil uprising this country will ever see will have nothing to do with race or gender. The lines have already been drawn for urban vs rural.

Just wait till they start taxing the miles you drive since the fed and state will be losing revenue from gas taxes as they become more prevalent.

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Originally posted by adv ET 266:
https://www.lieffcabraser.com/...ry/vehicle-gas-tank/

I'm not against a supplemental move toward electric vehicles but I think that report is somewhat of a red herring. I don't believe I have never heard of a fuel tank just spontaneously erupting in flames.

Nobody in their right mind would argue that gasoline isn't dangerous. Also you would be wrong to argue that all evs are going to burn your house down but I am less concerned about my gas tank of our vehicles burning my house down without me causing it in some way.

If you want to point out about the other lithium batteries used around the house, yes they do concern me. Our phones, the grand kids game controllers, etc. are charged in a specific place on a fireproof surface with nothing flammable close that I believe to be as safe as possible without doing it outside the house.

I do not think electric vehicles are the answer. They are being supported and in effect forced on us by the Government but they are simply not the answer.

To me until they get the technology where you can drive cross country like a gas vehicle it is just a Novelty. Yes, I think they may be good for driving around town commuting to work. But you still can not take the family camping for a week, can not take them to long distances.

Our Infrastructure would have to change dramatically and Technology would have to improve. The Technology would have to be such that you could charge one in 15 minutes and be back on the road for another 400 miles like a car. Technology to where they would have the power to tow your race car to the track or your boat to the lake. (Unless the big picture is Government wants to take those away from you)Infrastructure would have to be where all "Gas Stations" and Hotels have the ability to quickly charge them. The Infrastructure would have to be such that is could handle the load of all the electric cars that were ran by gas or diesel power. Until then you will have to buy two cars, one for around town daily commuting and one for anything longer than the range. You would need two vehicles to maintain, tax, register and insure to do the job of one you have now. There is some danger with batteries same as with those on golf carts etc. Do not know the real risks until we get more.

Get a little off topic here but I am now thinking the huge windmills may not be as good of an idea as we are being told. It appears they may take more energy to make than they are worth. The blades do not last that long and they can not be disposed easily or repaired. Our Government is supporting the giant windmills but I do not think they are the answer we need. As we learn more about the Windmills they are not as great as I thought or what we were told.

Remember this is the same Government that wants to take away our Guns and our right to Defend our selves. Trust them it is for your own good.

Just because the Government is trying to stick it up in you does not mean it is a good thing. Bottom line to me is the Electric cars are not being produced because they are better more efficient answer but because they are being propped up (by Taxes and Credits, paid for by us) and forced on us by Big Brother. It is what our Government is doing, taking money from working man and giving it to Big Businesses (who give billions in Donations back to Politicians) and telling us it is for our own Good.

If the electric cars (or windmills, or Gun Control, or Vaccinne) are so Great they would not have to work so hard to convince us.

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Originally posted by adv ET 266:
https://www.aaa.com/autorepair...cles/true-cost-of-ev

But why does a recent survey in California (the highest purchase market) show that 3 of 5 current EV owners say they would never purchase another EV?

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Originally posted by banjo:
Just wait till they start taxing the miles you drive since the fed and state will be losing revenue from gas taxes as they become more prevalent.

That's already on the docket here in VA. I think if a Democrat wins the governor post again, it's a done deal.

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Originally posted by adv ET 266:
https://www.aaa.com/autorepair...cles/true-cost-of-ev

But why does a recent survey in California (the highest purchase market) show that 3 of 5 current EV owners say they would never purchase another EV?

Post a link and I’ll comment

Out here we don’t have a grid to handle AC on a hot 3 days so how the he!! Are we to support all these charging stations?
Solar cannot do it nor can prop gen sets. We need the new small nuclear sites. Like about 30 of them!
Then there is the tiny issue of disposing of lithium and solar panels...
Lithium in short supply too..
Oh I can go on..
it does not pencil out!

28000 gallons of water to put out an electric car fire..

300 gallons of water to put out an gas car fire.

Hey Martha. turn off the ** AC so i can charge this POS lithium bomb.

Brain storm better yet.. Driver less Semi's
Let me know how that works out for ya.

The risk trying to knock down one of these electric fires (Personal) is ten fold. Injury

Telsa... Oh just use more water... Stupid.

You couldn't give me one of those electric bombs.

Pick your poison.
https://www.nbcnews.com/busine...hicle-fires-n1271084

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Originally posted by adv ET 266:

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Originally posted by chasracer:

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Originally posted by adv ET 266:
https://www.aaa.com/autorepair...cles/true-cost-of-ev

But why does a recent survey in California (the highest purchase market) show that 3 of 5 current EV owners say they would never purchase another EV?

Post a link and I’ll comment

It was in our club newsletter: http://www.carclubcouncil.com/newsletter.html

I think it was last month's edition so I will see about getting a copy of it.

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Originally posted by stk 758 BP!:
https://www.businessinsider.co...-hassle-study-2021-4

It was 1 out of 5, 20%
No question EV owners that only had level 1 charging and need the car daily would be disappointed. Buying EV if you live in an apartment is a problem. Can’t imagine dragging out an extension cord to charge. Would not be the first time someone buys something wo thinking clearly how practical it is for their situation. I know a few that have EV’s for commuting to work. Work place has charging and they have Level 2 at home. They love them. That’s the majority of EV users.

As to the future of Commercial charging stations, they are being build pretty fast. I see the fast charge 480v Tesla stations in many places around town.

This was in your linked article
“Meanwhile, change is on the horizon. Tesla recently filed paperwork to open a drive-in restaurant at one of its LA supercharger stations (which takes 15 minutes to deliver an 80% charge), and 7-Eleven announced it will be installing 500 fast-charging connections at select convenience stores across North America.”

Charge at night LMAO .... Tell that to the folks in Texas and Cali that have their power cycled off at night .....

I suppose I'm just not supportive in this way. I manage maintenance at a rural manufacturing plant. The guys with diesels we have long allowed to plug in when the temps are below 0 in the winter. We get this new chemical engineer come in, and his parents buy him an EV. Why he would tell anyone that his parents buy his cars I dunno. But next thing you know he's plugging into the plant power daily. I made sure that came to an end when I discovered that. The plant is buying his fuel to drive back and forth to work. Nope. Entitled SOB.

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Originally posted by Bucky:
I suppose I'm just not supportive in this way. I manage maintenance at a rural manufacturing plant. The guys with diesels we have long allowed to plug in when the temps are below 0 in the winter. We get this new chemical engineer come in, and his parents buy him an EV. Why he would tell anyone that his parents buy his cars I dunno. But next thing you know he's plugging into the plant power daily. I made sure that came to an end when I discovered that. The plant is buying his fuel to drive back and forth to work. Nope. Entitled SOB.

So Daddy bought him his car and he expected you to pay for fuel? Lol, what about insurance? His Daddy pay for that to?