just wondering why nobody cares about whats on a flyer anymore. it seems as though all promoters and tracks can do what they want even if wether its on the flyer or not without consequenses anymore. i guess racers dont realy care.

Most people just look at the winner $$, buy-back and entry alot of people have no clue what the rest of the pay-out is.

We received a Sonoma flyer this week after some hard work and effort by a few dedicated folks. Shows all payouts, entry if you read it.

That was one thing that a track around here always did. Their flyer would say No BuyBacks and the payout was $X,XXX or what ever and no double entries. Then you get in the gate and before you even get unloaded they are changing rules and payout.

I do not care if they have Buybacks in fact I like it but I want to know what the rules are before I drive all way out there. That track did not make it and that may have had a lot to do with it.

Most tracks around here go by the flyer.

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Originally posted by Cat Fish:
just wondering why nobody cares about whats on a flyer anymore. it seems as though all promoters and tracks can do what they want even if wether its on the flyer or not without consequenses anymore. i guess racers dont realy care

You must be about my age, none of these shenanigans were permitted.

The flyer is your word.

Flyers are Facebook posts now, one keystroke and it disappears or is changed suddenly. Local track has the reputation of changing rules and payouts despite what the flyer says. So many have cars and want to race the place still gets good car counts.

What I've noticed more than anything about most flyers is half the time the hardest thing to find is where the race is even being held!!

I do read the posters prior to attending an event and some will have something like this at the end…. “All Rules, Regulations and Scheduling are subject to change out of discretion of XXXX promoter”.

I get it and don’t have a problem with it because it’s on the Flyer.

Prior to attending I generally take a snapshot of the Event Flyer from the promoter website or FB.

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Originally posted by Holytown:
What I've noticed more than anything about most flyers is half the time the hardest thing to find is where the race is even being held!!

Sure glad I'm not the only one that thinks this.

it just seams that a promoter can say we only having x amount of cars because this is best for the racers and then well maybe we can take more but we dont have time to prep the track properly because we have to many

other promoters say purse is garanteed but if they dont get enough they cut

no morals i guess

OK...So who is going to pack up and go home if the flyer doesn't match?

Case closed...

If you look at todays flyers it could take 10 minutes to dissect...so much information crammed into a small area. I do struggle to find where the race is as well!

More importantly most only look at the winners payouts...doesn't make it a good race in a lot of cases. If 600 entries show up...ONLY one will win. Typically the RU is 15% to 20% of winners money...IF it is less than that the rest of the purse will be chit as well.

The top is always heavy...I like seeing the RU money half of the winners purse and more down the line with less to the winner. Example: NORWALK 40ks!

Just my observations...

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Originally posted by markemark:
I do read the posters prior to attending an event and some will have something like this at the end…. “All Rules, Regulations and Scheduling are subject to change out of discretion of XXXX promoter”.

I get it and don’t have a problem with it because it’s on the Flyer.

Prior to attending I generally take a snapshot of the Event Flyer from the promoter website or FB.

I DO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT.

Once I pay my Entry and come in the gate I do not want any changes on the rules. One time that same track on a big money race a friend was still in at 4? cars with BOTH entries and they told him he could only use one and he lost there. Cost him a lot of money. That track was known for making up or changing rules as they went along.

I understand sometimes making a change due to extreme circumstances like cutting buybacks or double entries because bad weather is coming in. But you can not just change rules and payout all the time. You need to stand up for your word and do what you say you are. No matter what it is.

I also look at the payout as part of decision where I race. Some tracks get a fairly large car count and do not pay out much or pay almost all of it to the Winner and nobody else gets much of anything.

I expect for the track to make a profit or we will not have a place to race. Still they have to have a decent payout for car count.

^^^says the idiot that doesn't compete at any big $ gambler racers, anywhere, in any race except at his Nostalgia club events where the most he can win is $760 if 15 other old fools show up that too lack the skill set and cars to compete with their areas best at real bracket races no mind big $ gambler's races

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Originally posted by Hotrod Corvette:
OK...So who is going to pack up and go home if the flyer doesn't match?

Case closed...

I guess it depends on how much different it is.

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Originally posted by Hotrod Corvette:
OK...So who is going to pack up and go home if the flyer doesn't match?

Case closed...

I am not but I will take it into consideration in future races when I make a choice where to race. I do not want to wait until second round to find out what rules are or final round to find out what payout is.

It doesn't matter what the flyer states, nobody is going home with the winners purse anyways. Anybody thinking they are going to win the whole amount listed is on drugs. EVERYBODY splits the pot up, usually back a couple rounds. Why doesn't a track just split it up ahead of time and make a realistic payout.

And yes, multiple flyers I have seen don't tell you what track it's at.

I concern myself with three bits of info: When, where, and how much to enter. The rest are the details other folks can fret about. Take care. Tom Worthington

Nobody reads past the top line.

Same reason that someone will post a topic in the forum with the same exact topic about 4 threads down the page.....

I study flyers like there's gonna be a test.