Originally posted by ferndaleflyer: Those devices you mentioned won’t help if you can’t hit the tree.
I disagree with your statement. These devices are being used to aid the racer into being able to make the car go dead on and keeping that side of their package very tight. So in theory as long as I can be 20 or better my package can be 30 or better every lap. While those types of packages are very common these days it definitely increases their odds of winning. Whether you want to believe it or not there is ALOT of these devices still running around even everyone says its "90s technology".
Another rumor I hear is that you can send your grid to a certain former track manager who is very well known around the racing community and he will make the ARC function completely undetectable when you plug in and check for ARC detection. Who in the race track tech world is smart enough to figure when and how that is being done?? ill answer that for you and that would be not a single one.
Uh oh! Good thing I held onto my old MSD Gold Box just in case.
BTW excellent call !
I dislike liars and cheats too if you hadn't noticed LoL
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June 18, 2020, 10:15 AM
CURTIS REED
And there is why it won’t change.
June 18, 2020, 10:28 AM
Mike Rietow
Most people I know with the Grid, have two.
You only need one. I'd unplug mine and let someone hold onto it, for a week or two, to inspect.
No problem.
June 18, 2020, 12:47 PM
Bucky
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Since technology has moved forward to where we are today, it only makes sense to provide a preventative measure to eliminate the sensing of the christmas tree in which I'd think most everyone would be in favor of except those who are looking to exploit the system.
Ah so if you disagree with BLM, you must then obviously be a racist. Right? Look I don't want cheating. But instead of covering every possible cheating situation and coming up with a cure before it happens, let's address the things that we know are happening, if there are any. I also disagree with adding extra expense with additional safety gear that the statistics from accidents in OUR sport don't support.
Foxtrot Juliet Bravo
June 18, 2020, 01:50 PM
Mike Rietow
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Originally posted by Bucky:
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Since technology has moved forward to where we are today, it only makes sense to provide a preventative measure to eliminate the sensing of the christmas tree in which I'd think most everyone would be in favor of except those who are looking to exploit the system.
Ah so if you disagree with BLM, you must then obviously be a racist. Right? Look I don't want cheating. But instead of covering every possible cheating situation and coming up with a cure before it happens, let's address the things that we know are happening, if there are any. I also disagree with adding extra expense with additional safety gear that the statistics from accidents in OUR sport don't support.
*Conserve* ative
June 18, 2020, 01:53 PM
Bucky
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Originally posted by Mike Rietow:
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Originally posted by Bucky:
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Since technology has moved forward to where we are today, it only makes sense to provide a preventative measure to eliminate the sensing of the christmas tree in which I'd think most everyone would be in favor of except those who are looking to exploit the system.
Ah so if you disagree with BLM, you must then obviously be a racist. Right? Look I don't want cheating. But instead of covering every possible cheating situation and coming up with a cure before it happens, let's address the things that we know are happening, if there are any. I also disagree with adding extra expense with additional safety gear that the statistics from accidents in OUR sport don't support.
*Conserve* ative
I don't disagree with that method. Wouldn't the simple first step be to have some amount of tech inspection at races?
Foxtrot Juliet Bravo
June 18, 2020, 02:04 PM
Mike Rietow
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Originally posted by Bucky:
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Originally posted by Mike Rietow:
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Originally posted by Bucky:
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Since technology has moved forward to where we are today, it only makes sense to provide a preventative measure to eliminate the sensing of the christmas tree in which I'd think most everyone would be in favor of except those who are looking to exploit the system.
Ah so if you disagree with BLM, you must then obviously be a racist. Right? Look I don't want cheating. But instead of covering every possible cheating situation and coming up with a cure before it happens, let's address the things that we know are happening, if there are any. I also disagree with adding extra expense with additional safety gear that the statistics from accidents in OUR sport don't support.
*Conserve* ative
I don't disagree with that method. Wouldn't the simple first step be to have some amount of tech inspection at races?
Ummmmmmm, I'd have to give that some thought, to answer.
Something tells me they have something much more efficient in mind.
June 18, 2020, 02:35 PM
ferndaleflyer
The OP is about the starting line not dead on at the finish line. If you can’t hit the tree the stripe don’t matter therefore the discussion on tree sensing devices. Not withstanding’ dead on is also good but not if you can’t hit the tree.
June 19, 2020, 04:36 AM
Rookieman
I think everyone knows what the real problem is in this situation and it is not the fact that the guy driving the silver bullet was cheating with a sensor on the tree. I watched a lot of the runs and he was doing good but so was 80% of the rest of the field. From what I hear the guy in the silver bullet only won around $1500 for the weekend so if he was cheating he wasn't doing very good at it. There were guys on the grounds that had won $100,000 to $200,000 in the last few months and none of them was torn down.One guy bragged that he had beat the silver bullet 2 out of 3 times and he was also not inspected, why not. I think all this was because of the "house car" deal.The track operator allows 15 to 20 and maybe higher of the best bracket racers in the country to enter the race for free and then whatever money he wins he has to give the track operator a big percentage of the money back. And besides getting in the race free he doesn't have to worry about going through tech or being inspected after winning the race and he always gets the benefit of any decisions made during the race. This is the main reason I never attend the big money races any more.All the problems at Dragway 42 with the silver bullet was caused by the house car policy. The silver bullet beat the the big white Pontiac two times in about 10 minutes and caused the track operator to lose his main house car.Now he was afraid he was going to have to pay out the full purse and he didn't like it so he was going to try to get rid of the silver bullet.This is a big problem and there should be something done. The problem is not some guy with a sensor on the top bulb which apparently doesn't work very well.
June 19, 2020, 05:18 AM
Bucky
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Originally posted by ferndaleflyer: The OP is about the starting line not dead on at the finish line. If you can’t hit the tree the stripe don’t matter therefore the discussion on tree sensing devices. Not withstanding’ dead on is also good but not if you can’t hit the tree.
I agree and that's what I was talking about. Rookie has an interesting and different perspective.
Foxtrot Juliet Bravo
June 19, 2020, 06:30 AM
fuzzy dice
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Originally posted by ferndaleflyer: The OP is about the starting line not dead on at the finish line. If you can’t hit the tree the stripe don’t matter therefore the discussion on tree sensing devices. Not withstanding’ dead on is also good but not if you can’t hit the tree.
I also agree, fern...46 and dead zero is still a 46 pack and a loser most likely...give me a 10 light every time and I will drive the stripe for the win most likely...
June 19, 2020, 07:25 AM
Richard Hammond
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Originally posted by Rookieman: I think everyone knows what the real problem is in this situation and it is not the fact that the guy driving the silver bullet was cheating with a sensor on the tree. I watched a lot of the runs and he was doing good but so was 80% of the rest of the field. From what I hear the guy in the silver bullet only won around $1500 for the weekend so if he was cheating he wasn't doing very good at it. There were guys on the grounds that had won $100,000 to $200,000 in the last few months and none of them was torn down.One guy bragged that he had beat the silver bullet 2 out of 3 times and he was also not inspected, why not. I think all this was because of the "house car" deal.The track operator allows 15 to 20 and maybe higher of the best bracket racers in the country to enter the race for free and then whatever money he wins he has to give the track operator a big percentage of the money back. And besides getting in the race free he doesn't have to worry about going through tech or being inspected after winning the race and he always gets the benefit of any decisions made during the race. This is the main reason I never attend the big money races any more.All the problems at Dragway 42 with the silver bullet was caused by the house car policy. The silver bullet beat the the big white Pontiac two times in about 10 minutes and caused the track operator to lose his main house car.Now he was afraid he was going to have to pay out the full purse and he didn't like it so he was going to try to get rid of the silver bullet.This is a big problem and there should be something done. The problem is not some guy with a sensor on the top bulb which apparently doesn't work very well.
Who is this silver bullet guy? And how do you know how many cars are running?
June 19, 2020, 08:09 AM
Mike Rietow
Damn, that's a helluva fit for Hollywood movie story. The big bad Silver Bullet house car with the tree sensing device.
The way it all rolls off your keyboard makes it seem so common knowledge I doubt they'd roll into Galot, with the illegal gizmo set on kill, hypothetically speaking.
Put yourself in their position and critically think your way through this. I mentioned this previously in a post, if there is a gizmo how tight are you willing to set up with it, knowing there is a paper trail of evidence.
I don't doubt your claims but I question your logic of how good they are at using the illegal gizmo. I mean think about it, if they win every race they enter trip zip, the people with pitch forks, eventually end up in their pit.
June 19, 2020, 08:20 AM
TD3550
Whatever money he wins he has to give the track operator a big percentage ... Ya think?????
June 19, 2020, 08:31 AM
Mike Rietow
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Originally posted by TD3550: Whatever money he wins he has to give the track operator a big percentage ... Ya think?????
If they let you in for free, you get 35%. This arrangement has been going on forever.
The promoter ain't letting in chumps for free either. If they let you in free, it's for a reason. It's an investment.
As long as everyone is playing by the same rules, there's not a problem with letting in the beasts free. You want them to be there.
You want the best in the race.
The problem would be letting the beasts in free, and making them above the rule of law. Playing under a different set of rules.
Tilting the table in their favor.
June 19, 2020, 08:56 AM
Mike Rietow
If you look at this critically. If there are illegal gizmo's now, they're only gonna get better.
Eventually an illegal gizmo will be like a delay box, how tight are you willing to set up knowing there is a paper trail of evidence.
If you look at the illegal gizmo from the perspective, as if they were legal.
It might be a good time now to conserve fair play, I dunno. But if it isn't now, it might of been a year ago or two years ago, who knows for sure.
I'd never cheat but I've come across some people without a conscience.
These are the ones ya gotta watch, the psychopaths.
And the psychopaths always work together like looters.
Their objectives are the same, it's easy to do for them.
June 19, 2020, 10:05 AM
RacerVX54
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Originally posted by Rookieman: I think everyone knows what the real problem is in this situation and it is not the fact that the guy driving the silver bullet was cheating with a sensor on the tree. I watched a lot of the runs and he was doing good but so was 80% of the rest of the field. From what I hear the guy in the silver bullet only won around $1500 for the weekend so if he was cheating he wasn't doing very good at it. There were guys on the grounds that had won $100,000 to $200,000 in the last few months and none of them was torn down.One guy bragged that he had beat the silver bullet 2 out of 3 times and he was also not inspected, why not. I think all this was because of the "house car" deal.The track operator allows 15 to 20 and maybe higher of the best bracket racers in the country to enter the race for free and then whatever money he wins he has to give the track operator a big percentage of the money back. And besides getting in the race free he doesn't have to worry about going through tech or being inspected after winning the race and he always gets the benefit of any decisions made during the race. This is the main reason I never attend the big money races any more.All the problems at Dragway 42 with the silver bullet was caused by the house car policy. The silver bullet beat the the big white Pontiac two times in about 10 minutes and caused the track operator to lose his main house car.Now he was afraid he was going to have to pay out the full purse and he didn't like it so he was going to try to get rid of the silver bullet.This is a big problem and there should be something done. The problem is not some guy with a sensor on the top bulb which apparently doesn't work very well.
Da fak
"Just Shut Up and Race"
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June 19, 2020, 10:21 AM
Michael Beard
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Originally posted by Rookieman: All the problems at Dragway 42 with the silver bullet was caused by the house car policy.
That's quite an accusation. But please, go on and tell us more about how a Jegs car is a house car at a Summit race. LOL That's fascinating. You should let the promoters know that they had house cars. They'd probably be very interested to find that out!
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you would not win a round if your package was worse than .005.
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at HUNTSVILLE.....015 total or better I say was the norm.....
Do people ever actually read the results? THIS is part of the problem, when people come up with this off-the-wall, "Well I heard!" BS. I glanced back at one of the DRR race days, and found 63 packages .015 or better (actually included several that were technically over .015 if you added the 4th digits). Only 4 of them were losing runs. Total runs: 469, so you're looking at 13.4% of the runs is apparently "everybody does this all the time". LOL Is it hyper competitive? Absolutely. But people are WAY overstating the case. People only pay attention to the good runs, so that's what they remember.
Spring Fling GALOT 100K race... 12 .005 or better packages out of 891 runs: 1% 81 .015 or better packages out of 891 runs: 9%
Yup! You've gotta be 5 pack or better, or don't leave the house! LOLThis message has been edited. Last edited by: Michael Beard,
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LOL That's fascinating. You should let the promoters know that they had house cars. They'd probably be very interested to find that out!