I am watching this thread with interest. I do not know of anyone cheating but I do like being proactive and keeping people honest. If there is cheating I want to know how so we can stop it.
https://postimg.cc/gallery/np3zpruo/ "Dunning-Kruger Effect" -a type of Cognitive bias where people with little expertise or ability assume they have superior expertise or ability. This overestimation occurs as a result of the fact that they do not have enough knowledge to know they don't have enough knowledge.
Before you argue with someone ask yourself, "Is this person mentally mature enough to grasp the concept of a different perspective?" If not there is no point to argue.
If I were them I wouldn't check a single car till I got my guy, I know for fact is cheating.
I'd even let em win the race and not pay him. That's all it will take one time, catch the guy take his pay.
You start snooping around on every ones's car, everyone else see's it, you'll be orchestrating a suspicious paranoid atmosphere.
June 22, 2020, 06:03 PM
Mike Rietow
Checking people random is a bad idea.
You gotta treat it with first principle, as if everyone is innocent until proven guilty.
Plus checking random is like piss tests. You don't wanna turn it into a witch hunt.
Patience, you only need one good customer to set the tone.
June 22, 2020, 06:17 PM
markemark
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Originally posted by AZ: Manipulating the MSD Grid or similar ignition is another story. Done properly, just about anything can run within .01.
I would be interested in reading the method of how this is done legally. I’m racing the BIG One in two weeks and would like to try it in my Grid.
June 22, 2020, 06:26 PM
Mike Rietow
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Originally posted by markemark:
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Originally posted by AZ: Manipulating the MSD Grid or similar ignition is another story. Done properly, just about anything can run within .01.
I would be interested in reading the method of how this is done legally. I’m racing the BIG One in two weeks and would like to try it in my Grid.
By done properly he doesn't mean legal, by done properly illegally, he means just like it says.
Just about anything can run within a hundredth.
June 22, 2020, 08:08 PM
Bucky
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Originally posted by markemark:
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Originally posted by AZ: Manipulating the MSD Grid or similar ignition is another story. Done properly, just about anything can run within .01.
I would be interested in reading the method of how this is done legally. I’m racing the BIG One in two weeks and would like to try it in my Grid.
Geeze within .01!? Why not just hand me over the prize money and save everyone the travel? LOL.
But Mark to your point, I mentioned earlier that there was an online article about riding the dots. The author was going to do some testing and get back to us with another article. I never saw any follow up. Frankly I think riding the dots with the resolution that the grid and other software/hardware combos give us makes it pretty hard to get the variation to under .005. I have no evidence either way. But generally when I see riding the dots, it for heads up stuff on sketchy surfaces, so they can rescue a run and not crash a car.
Foxtrot Juliet Bravo
June 22, 2020, 08:25 PM
markemark
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Originally posted by Bucky:
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Originally posted by markemark:
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Originally posted by AZ: Manipulating the MSD Grid or similar ignition is another story. Done properly, just about anything can run within .01.
I would be interested in reading the method of how this is done legally. I’m racing the BIG One in two weeks and would like to try it in my Grid.
Geeze within .01!? Why not just hand me over the prize money and save everyone the travel? LOL.
But Mark to your point, I mentioned earlier that there was an online article about riding the dots. The author was going to do some testing and get back to us with another article. I never saw any follow up. Frankly I think riding the dots with the resolution that the grid and other software/hardware combos give us makes it pretty hard to get the variation to under .005. I have no evidence either way. But generally when I see riding the dots, it for heads up stuff on sketchy surfaces, so they can rescue a run and not crash a car.
Agreed on riding the dots.
If I were to bet, I believe the majority of big money bracket event winners are still running analog ignition.
MSD 7730 Grid has just barely passed 25,000 total sales in 9 years since introduced.
June 23, 2020, 08:13 AM
TomR
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Originally posted by markemark: If I were to bet, I believe the majority of big money bracket event winners are still running analog ignition.
MSD 7730 Grid has just barely passed 25,000 total sales in 9 years since introduced.
I have heard rumors there is a way to hide stuff inside the analog boxes. They have been around a long time and I'm sure a few savvy racers have found a way to open them and hide **** in them.
I have no idea what they can do to them just heard rumors. (true or not) Just because they are using analog ignitions doesn't mean they aren't cheating.
The thing I find funny is if you have a grid, a lot of people automatically assume you are. Most don't understand what it does so it HAS to be a cheating device. lol
72 Nova "Hooptie"
June 23, 2020, 10:24 AM
442OLDS
This post started out as a post about tree sensing equipment.
Now it has turned into running dead on.
June 23, 2020, 10:27 AM
Bucky
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The thing I find funny is if you have a grid, a lot of people automatically assume you are. Most don't understand what it does so it HAS to be a cheating device. lol
Same with Data Loggers
Foxtrot Juliet Bravo
June 23, 2020, 10:27 AM
Bucky
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Originally posted by 442OLDS: This post started out as a post about tree sensing equipment.
Now it has turned into running dead on.
Well that got boring. Post something about light sensors then.
Foxtrot Juliet Bravo
June 23, 2020, 10:29 AM
Bucky
Any pictures of these sensors? Or people recording the tree? Or whatever is being used to cheat the reaction times?
Foxtrot Juliet Bravo
June 23, 2020, 11:57 AM
Hotrod Corvette
Just make it harder to cheat and run dead on...
Make everyone put their dial-in to the 3rd digit...
4.657
Everyone gets treated the same way then
Make the game harder to play
Burt
I'm So Proud To Be An American And Not A Democrat...
June 23, 2020, 12:58 PM
RacerVX54
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Originally posted by Bucky: Any pictures of these sensors? Or people recording the tree? Or whatever is being used to cheat the reaction times?
I wish someone would show something lolThis message has been edited. Last edited by: RacerVX54,
"Just Shut Up and Race"
Brian Martin Martin Racing 5.42 @127
June 23, 2020, 01:17 PM
Big Steve
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Originally posted by RacerVX54:
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Originally posted by Bucky: Any pictures of these sensors? Or people recording the tree? Or whatever is being used to cheat the reaction times?
I wish someone would shot something lol
How can there be when no one knows what they are looking for....
June 23, 2020, 05:59 PM
RacerVX54
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Originally posted by Big Steve:
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Originally posted by RacerVX54:
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Originally posted by Bucky: Any pictures of these sensors? Or people recording the tree? Or whatever is being used to cheat the reaction times?
I wish someone would shot something lol
How can there be when no one knows what they are looking for....
"Just Shut Up and Race"
Brian Martin Martin Racing 5.42 @127
June 24, 2020, 09:52 PM
Bruce Williams
I live in Chandler AZ where the Waymo Corp has been test driving these self driving cars for the last couple of years. I think the technology is out there for sure. Check out this video: https://waymo.com/tech/
Bruce Lee
Experience is what you get when you don't get what you want.
June 25, 2020, 07:20 AM
Da Shoe
Diffused Reflective Photoelectric sensor, aim it at tree for top amber, let your button rip just like normal, box will take the quickest of the 2 hits. Could be a possibility
If you want to get rid of cheating, potential cheating, suspected cheating or future cheating, git rid of the electronics. I have said for many years, electronics will eventually be part of the death of our sport.
June 25, 2020, 09:39 AM
1320racer
ain't going happen and no one cares who is using what to gain an advantage at the tree and/or down track, not the promoters, not the racers and if it ain't disallowed on the flyer, it ain't cheating.
