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Will Government ever try to grab guns in us
January 15, 2013, 11:22 AM
David CoveyWill Government ever try to grab guns in us
What is an assault rifle/long gun??
Dave
"It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance." -Thomas Sowell
January 15, 2013, 11:48 AM
undacuva67quote:
holds more than like 10.
so we buy more clips , what about the tens of thousands of large cap on the market , you really think they would be confiscated or turned in ? there are no records of who owns them either . just another pathetic attempt of the guvment mentality that some people want to be saved by ,,,,,
January 15, 2013, 12:04 PM
Bill KoskiOne of the duped boob IMBECILE wizards of smart shows how in tune with the topic he is when he injects the 1st amendment into the mix!!!!!
TAKE IT TO THE BANK!!!!!
Later, Bill Koski
January 15, 2013, 08:48 PM
Trans Lady
January 16, 2013, 10:02 AM
stanmanquote:
Originally posted by drag57:
All good questions Greg. Now... do you oppose background checks to prevent a convicted felon from purchasing a gun? Do you oppose requiring private sales to be reported so bad guys can't buy guns? Do you oppose adding some mental health requirements to protect citizens. There was a young man in Florida who was committed 3 times by his parents because they knew he was a danger. 3 times he was released. He killed his mother with a knife. That OK with you? I want all of the above. Do you??? I could give a sh*t if you have 20 legal weapons and jack off on your ammo every day. How about you guys showing a little common sense and stop sucking NRA teet?
Good questions but you decided to not answer them. Instead, as expected, you push back with your agenda because you can't provide an argument refuting the facts.
You also continue to ignore what your fellow comrades are saying and proposing in legislation. New York just passed legislation that place onerous requirements on law-abiding gun owners and requires background checks for purchasing ammunition. Last I checked, ammunition is useless without a firearm. And none of these wholly un-constitutional laws would have prevented any of the mass shootings that are being used as emotional artillery to thwart the rights of law-abiding citizens.
Contrary to you, I will answer your questions.
I don't know any gun owners who oppose background checks. I do oppose any kind of registration of the guns I do own. The government, neither state or federal, have any business knowing what I own or do not own!
I do oppose requiring the reporting of private sales. The government has no authority to regulate sales between individuals. Remove the restrictions on any federal background check database so that private individuals could access it prior to making a sale. In turn, I would support legislation that would make the seller liable in the event the sale was to a felon and then used in a crime.
I have to laugh at your example of the guy in Florida because it proves the moronic nature of this debate. Good luck getting the ACLU and all your other left-wing comrades on board with some kind of program that would identify mentally ill folks in some sort of national database that would prevent gun sales to them.
Greg Stanley
Off the grid and off my rocker!
January 16, 2013, 12:25 PM
I.P. DaileyObama- "We need to go after people who sell guns to criminals"
Can we start with you and Holder with Fast and Furious?
January 16, 2013, 05:29 PM
stanmanAnother question I have for you drag57...
Do you believe rifles like the AR-15 and magazines holding more than 10 rounds should be banned?
Greg Stanley
Off the grid and off my rocker!
January 18, 2013, 06:50 AM
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off the Island.January 18, 2013, 07:32 AM
Bill KoskiApparently many FLEEBAGGER Senators are not overly impressed with "totus's" lawless gang of hooligans because they have indicated to their constituents that they could not vote for "totus's" idiotic blathering gun law reforms!!!!!
Of course a couple of them are telling the duped boob IMBECILES one thing in their states and singing a different tune in DC knowing full well they are representing duped boob IMBECILES!!!!!
TAKE IT TO THE BANK!!!!!
Later, Bill Koski
January 21, 2013, 03:44 PM
I.P. DaileyThe five worst mass killings have a common thread. Hint #1: they don't belong to the NRA.
Ft Hood~~~ Registered Democrat ~ Muslim
Columbine ~~~ Too young to vote; both families were registered Democrats and progressive liberals
Virginia Tech ~~~ Wrote hate mail to President Bush and to his staff ~ Registered Democrat
Colorado Theater ~~~ Registered Democrat; staff worker on the Obama campaign; Occupy Wall Street participant; progressive liberal
Connecticut School Shooter- ~~~ Registered Democrat; hated Christians.
Common thread is that all of these shooters were progressive liberal Democrats.
Also, of the worst killings in the last several decades, only one was a female, all the rest were boys, barely men, and none of them had a strong male father or role model in the household. Their role models were rappers, action movies, comics and viloent video games.
Our problem isn't weapons, it's boys without boundaries. Who live in 'progressive' households.
January 21, 2013, 04:05 PM
fastracer482quote:
Originally posted by adv ET 266:
They proclaim they are protecting OUR 1st Amendment. Reality is, they are protecting the gun manufactures and countless dealers commercial values.
Just a little common senses and suspect all involved with the actual event would agree!
1. You are wrong. They are protecting my right to own weapons that I choose to own.
As for you, your opinion means nothing. Why would I or anyone else on here care wheather you apporove of what I own or not?
2. As for you suspecting all those people agree with you, what exactly makes you think you are anywhere near capable of speaking for people you dont know?
3. As for the gun lobby. Do you really think you should be on a public forum saying anything bad about any lobbying group? You as an employee of the taxpayer propped up wind energy industry, are the recipient of a very large chunk of goverment handout, that has driven our economy to the brink of failure. You dont have to earn your money, the goverment hands it out to you. And that is because your industry hired some really good lobbyist. So why is it alright for you to have someone lobby for your welfare payment, but others should not be able to lobby to keep the rights granted them in the ammendments to the constitution of the United States of America?
January 21, 2013, 04:20 PM
BuckyI think the 30 round magazine issue is more about argument than it is about making anyone safer. I hear the argument at time "Why would anyone need....." Man don't ask a drag racer that!
But a line has to be somewhere. This is ok, this isn't. Should there be no restrictions? Rocket launchers? Flame throwers? If a guy can afford an Appache fully armed is that also within his right? Gernades? I would say many will have different answers for all of those. But you have to draw the line somewhere. I think we now have a president who really wants to push that line one direction. I don't agree with his views. But I don't think that I can blankly wave around the 2nd ammendment with nothing else as a defense of weapon ownership. People end up sounding like doomsday is coming with some of the arguments....but they may not be completely without merit either. What if our government falls apart, and we are left to defend ourselves?
Foxtrot Juliet Bravo
January 21, 2013, 04:32 PM
drag57quote:
Good questions but you decided to not answer them. Instead, as expected, you push back with your agenda because you can't provide an argument refuting the facts.
I argue with people sharper than those here everyday. It is the NRA that has an agenda, to sell more product. And people like those on the board that on cue from the NRA take any attempt at gun regulation and run off like little girls crying their guns are in danger. Greg, how do you feel about the people on the board who say the slaughter of children at the school was done by the government or the government was pushing a gun agenda and let it happen? I'll tell you how I feel....those people are a waste of air. They are ignorant beyond belief and make adults wonder where we went wrong. America...land of the idiot. (but heavily armed)
January 21, 2013, 05:16 PM
raceadodgequote:
Originally posted by drag57:
quote:
Good questions but you decided to not answer them. Instead, as expected, you push back with your agenda because you can't provide an argument refuting the facts.
I argue with people sharper than those here everyday. It is the NRA that has an agenda, to sell more product. And people like those on the board that on cue from the NRA take any attempt at gun regulation and run off like little girls crying their guns are in danger. Greg, how do you feel about the people on the board who say the slaughter of children at the school was done by the government or the government was pushing a gun agenda and let it happen? I'll tell you how I feel....those people are a waste of air. They are ignorant beyond belief and make adults wonder where we went wrong. America...land of the idiot. (but heavily armed)
A-S-S-H-O-L-E Answer my question!!
January 21, 2013, 05:31 PM
fastracer482quote:
Originally posted by drag57:
They are ignorant beyond belief and make adults wonder where we went wrong. America...land of the idiot. (but heavily armed)
The last election is the precise point where we went wrong.
January 21, 2013, 05:50 PM
Bob Hquote:
Originally posted by raceadodge:
okay Draggy - since you seem to be the "expert" in this area, how is it that Chicago, one of the strictest gun control cities in the nation, has the highest homicide death rates due to guns, which was over 500, for last year? And the states and cities with the highest gun count have the lowest homicide crime rates. Don't give me any of your side-stepping bull**** either. If you can't answer the question, tuck your tail between your legs and hide under your computer table.
The United States owns more guns per resident, at about 0.89, than any other nation in the world. The U.S. is almost half again the next two highest nations, Serbia and Yemen at about 0.55 and
triple major European countries like France and Germany. Country
Guns per 100
residents (2007)
Rank
United States
88.8
1
Yemen
54.8
2
Switzerland
45.7
3
Finland
45.3
4
32[5]
Serbia
37.8
5
58.2[6]
Cyprus
36.4
6
Saudi Arabia
35
7
Iraq
34.2
8
Uruguay
31.8
9
Sweden
31.6
10
Norway
31.3
11
France
31.2
12
Canada
30.8
13
Austria
30.4
14
Germany
30.3
15
Iceland
30.3
15
Oman
25.5
17
Bahrain
24.8
18
Kuwait
24.8
18
Macedonia
24.1
20
Montenegro
23.1
21
New Zealand
22.6
22
1993: 26.8.[2]
Greece
22.5
23
United Arab Emirates
22.1
24
Northern Ireland
21.9
25
Croatia
21.7
26
Panama
21.7
26
Lebanon
21
28
Equatorial Guinea
19.9
29
Qatar
19.2
31
Latvia
19
32
Peru
18.8
33
Angola
17.3
34
Bosnia and Herzegovina
17.3
34
Belgium
17.2
36
Paraguay
17
37
Czech Republic
16.3
38
Thailand
15.6
39
Libya
15.5
40
Luxembourg
15.3
41
Australia
15
42
Mexico
15
42
Mauritius
14.7
44
Guyana
14.6
45
Gabon
14
46
Slovenia
13.5
47
Suriname
13.4
48
Guatemala
13.1
49
South Africa
12.7
50
Namibia
12.6
51
Armenia
12.5
52
Turkey
12.5
52
Denmark
12
54
Italy
11.9
55
Malta
11.9
55
Pakistan
11.6
57
Jordan
11.5
58
Chile
10.7
59
Venezuela
10.7
59
Spain
10.4
61
Argentina
10.2
62
Belize
10
63
Costa Rica
9.9
64
Estonia
9.2
65
Somalia
9.1
66
Transnistria
9.1
66
Russia
8.9
68
Zambia
8.9
68
Albania
8.6
70
Ireland
8.6
70
Portugal
8.5
72
Slovakia
8.3
73
Jamaica
8.1
74
Brazil
8
75
Barbados
7.8
76
Nicaragua
7.7
77
Algeria
7.6
78
Belarus
7.3
79
Georgia
7.3
79
Iran
7.3
79
Israel
7.3
79
Moldova
7.1
83
Ukraine
6.6
84
Maldives
6.5
85
Kenya
6.4
86
Swaziland
6.4
86
Bulgaria
6.2
88
England and Wales
6.2
88
Honduras
6.2
88
Colombia
5.9
91
El Salvador
5.8
92
Hungary
5.5
93
Scotland
5.5
93
Sudan
5.5
93
Includes South Sudan
Cape Verde
5.4
96
Seychelles
5.4
96
Bahamas
5.3
98
Dominican Republic
5.1
99
Mozambique
5.1
99
Morocco
5
101
Botswana
4.9
102
China
4.9
102
Cuba
4.8
104
Philippines
4.7
105
Afghanistan
4.6
106
Taiwan
4.6
106
Zimbabwe
4.6
106
Cambodia
4.3
109
India
4.2
110
Burma
4
111
Netherlands
3.9
112
Syria
3.9
112
Turkmenistan
3.8
114
Azerbaijan
3.5
115
Egypt
3.5
115
Bhutan
3.5
115
Palestine
3.4
118
Bolivia
2.8
119
Cameroon
2.8
119
Djibouti
2.8
119
Congo
2.7
122
Lesotho
2.7
122
Ivory Coast
2.4
124
Senegal
2
125
Mongolia
1.9
126
Comoros
1.8
127
Vietnam
1.7
128
Guinea-Bissau
1.6
129
Liberia
1.6
129
Mauritania
1.6
129
Trinidad and Tobago
1.6
129
Malaysia
1.5
133
Nigeria
1.5
133
Sri Lanka
1.5
133
Uzbekistan
1.5
133
Benin
1.4
137
Brunei
1.4
137
Democratic Republic of the Congo
1.4
137
Tanzania
1.4
137
Uganda
1.4
137
Ecuador
1.3
142
Kazakhstan
1.3
142
Poland
1.3
142
Burundi
1.2
145
Laos
1.2
145
Guinea
1.2
145
Papua New Guinea
1.2
145
Burkina Faso
1.1
149
Chad
1.1
149
South Korea
1.1
149
Mali
1.1
149
Central African Republic
1
153
Tajikistan
1
153
Togo
1
153
Kyrgyzstan
.9
156
Gambia
.8
157
Madagascar
.8
157
Nepal
.8
157
Lithuania
.7
160
Malawi
.7
160
Niger
.7
160
Romania
.7
160
Haiti
.6
164
Japan
.6
164
North Korea
.6
164
Rwanda
.6
164
Sierra Leone
.6
164
Bangladesh
.5
169
Eritrea
.5
169
Fiji
.5
169
Indonesia
.5
169
Singapore
.5
169
Ethiopia
.4
174
Ghana
.4
174
Solomon Islands
.4
174
Timor-Leste
.3
177
Tunisia
.1
178
This is from 2007.
Why is the U.S. leading the world in gun violence and murders????
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know the answer.
January 21, 2013, 05:53 PM
ET2278Damn Bob that funny. I know ya didnt see that coming
Jim McKelvey
January 21, 2013, 05:58 PM
Bob HFunny?? Funny??????
The spell checker posted on DRR in another topic a while back bragging about how many guns and the makes he had, then came on here sometime later to report his guns were all stolen.
Now that was funny........
January 21, 2013, 05:59 PM
raceadodgequote:
Originally posted by Bob H:
quote:
Originally posted by raceadodge:
okay Draggy - since you seem to be the "expert" in this area, how is it that Chicago, one of the strictest gun control cities in the nation, has the highest homicide death rates due to guns, which was over 500, for last year? And the states and cities with the highest gun count have the lowest homicide crime rates. Don't give me any of your side-stepping bull**** either. If you can't answer the question, tuck your tail between your legs and hide under your computer table.
The United States owns more guns per resident, at about 0.89, than any other nation in the world. The U.S. is almost half again the next two highest nations, Serbia and Yemen at about 0.55 and
triple major European countries like France and Germany. Country
Guns per 100
residents (2007)
Rank
United States
88.8
1
Yemen
54.8
2
Switzerland
45.7
3
Finland
45.3
4
32[5]
Serbia
37.8
5
58.2[6]
Cyprus
36.4
6
Saudi Arabia
35
7
Iraq
34.2
8
Uruguay
31.8
9
Sweden
31.6
10
Norway
31.3
11
France
31.2
12
Canada
30.8
13
Austria
30.4
14
Germany
30.3
15
Iceland
30.3
15
Oman
25.5
17
Bahrain
24.8
18
Kuwait
24.8
18
Macedonia
24.1
20
Montenegro
23.1
21
New Zealand
22.6
22
1993: 26.8.[2]
Greece
22.5
23
United Arab Emirates
22.1
24
Northern Ireland
21.9
25
Croatia
21.7
26
Panama
21.7
26
Lebanon
21
28
Equatorial Guinea
19.9
29
Qatar
19.2
31
Latvia
19
32
Peru
18.8
33
Angola
17.3
34
Bosnia and Herzegovina
17.3
34
Belgium
17.2
36
Paraguay
17
37
Czech Republic
16.3
38
Thailand
15.6
39
Libya
15.5
40
Luxembourg
15.3
41
Australia
15
42
Mexico
15
42
Mauritius
14.7
44
Guyana
14.6
45
Gabon
14
46
Slovenia
13.5
47
Suriname
13.4
48
Guatemala
13.1
49
South Africa
12.7
50
Namibia
12.6
51
Armenia
12.5
52
Turkey
12.5
52
Denmark
12
54
Italy
11.9
55
Malta
11.9
55
Pakistan
11.6
57
Jordan
11.5
58
Chile
10.7
59
Venezuela
10.7
59
Spain
10.4
61
Argentina
10.2
62
Belize
10
63
Costa Rica
9.9
64
Estonia
9.2
65
Somalia
9.1
66
Transnistria
9.1
66
Russia
8.9
68
Zambia
8.9
68
Albania
8.6
70
Ireland
8.6
70
Portugal
8.5
72
Slovakia
8.3
73
Jamaica
8.1
74
Brazil
8
75
Barbados
7.8
76
Nicaragua
7.7
77
Algeria
7.6
78
Belarus
7.3
79
Georgia
7.3
79
Iran
7.3
79
Israel
7.3
79
Moldova
7.1
83
Ukraine
6.6
84
Maldives
6.5
85
Kenya
6.4
86
Swaziland
6.4
86
Bulgaria
6.2
88
England and Wales
6.2
88
Honduras
6.2
88
Colombia
5.9
91
El Salvador
5.8
92
Hungary
5.5
93
Scotland
5.5
93
Sudan
5.5
93
Includes South Sudan
Cape Verde
5.4
96
Seychelles
5.4
96
Bahamas
5.3
98
Dominican Republic
5.1
99
Mozambique
5.1
99
Morocco
5
101
Botswana
4.9
102
China
4.9
102
Cuba
4.8
104
Philippines
4.7
105
Afghanistan
4.6
106
Taiwan
4.6
106
Zimbabwe
4.6
106
Cambodia
4.3
109
India
4.2
110
Burma
4
111
Netherlands
3.9
112
Syria
3.9
112
Turkmenistan
3.8
114
Azerbaijan
3.5
115
Egypt
3.5
115
Bhutan
3.5
115
Palestine
3.4
118
Bolivia
2.8
119
Cameroon
2.8
119
Djibouti
2.8
119
Congo
2.7
122
Lesotho
2.7
122
Ivory Coast
2.4
124
Senegal
2
125
Mongolia
1.9
126
Comoros
1.8
127
Vietnam
1.7
128
Guinea-Bissau
1.6
129
Liberia
1.6
129
Mauritania
1.6
129
Trinidad and Tobago
1.6
129
Malaysia
1.5
133
Nigeria
1.5
133
Sri Lanka
1.5
133
Uzbekistan
1.5
133
Benin
1.4
137
Brunei
1.4
137
Democratic Republic of the Congo
1.4
137
Tanzania
1.4
137
Uganda
1.4
137
Ecuador
1.3
142
Kazakhstan
1.3
142
Poland
1.3
142
Burundi
1.2
145
Laos
1.2
145
Guinea
1.2
145
Papua New Guinea
1.2
145
Burkina Faso
1.1
149
Chad
1.1
149
South Korea
1.1
149
Mali
1.1
149
Central African Republic
1
153
Tajikistan
1
153
Togo
1
153
Kyrgyzstan
.9
156
Gambia
.8
157
Madagascar
.8
157
Nepal
.8
157
Lithuania
.7
160
Malawi
.7
160
Niger
.7
160
Romania
.7
160
Haiti
.6
164
Japan
.6
164
North Korea
.6
164
Rwanda
.6
164
Sierra Leone
.6
164
Bangladesh
.5
169
Eritrea
.5
169
Fiji
.5
169
Indonesia
.5
169
Singapore
.5
169
Ethiopia
.4
174
Ghana
.4
174
Solomon Islands
.4
174
Timor-Leste
.3
177
Tunisia
.1
178
This is from 2007.
Why is the U.S. leading the world in gun violence and murders????
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know the answer.
That was not the question A-S-S-H-O-L-E # 2