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Destroying the Church of Global Warming
April 06, 2010, 12:37 PM
<Jeremy J.>Destroying the Church of Global Warming
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Originally posted by Grandma:
April 06, 2010, 03:16 PM
Grandma / GpaUpdated April 06, 2010
Top Climate Scientist's Exoneration Won't Be the Last WordWhen a Penn State board of inquiry unilaterally decided that Michael Mann had broken no rules in the climate-data scandal, global-warming alarmists breathed a sigh of relief, thinking the most damaging episode in their effort to save the planet was behind them. They were wrong.
But the final say will be in the hands of a skeptical inspector general at the National Science Foundation, the primary funder of the research into global warming. According to published documents obtained by FoxNews.com, the IG must determine whether Penn State's investigation was adequate.
The Office of Inspector General confirmed that it will review the misconduct charges. A spokeswoman told FoxNews.com that "in accordance with our research misconduct regulation, (45 C.F.R. part 689), when the OIG is provided with an institution's investigation report, we review it for fairness, accuracy and completeness" -- issues the investigation has already been faulted for.
Mann's study of the climate record over the past millennium introduced the now famous "hockey stick" graph, which showed temperatures along a relatively stable line for centuries and then spiking upward, much like a hockey stick. The image became the icon of climate change because it made the science seem so clear and compelling.
Until, that is, e-mails from the climate study center at East Anglia University surfaced.
Instead of ending the controversy, Penn State's 10-page report clearing Mann opened up a storm of controversy.
the final say 
Zell/Granny 2012 Send Your Thanks To the U.S.Military Post a Message to our Soldiers Of all the things I've lost,
I miss my mind the most
Grandpa Bob
Professional Fence Hanger / Spectator
Former Crew Chief
Grandma's Rocking ChairApril 06, 2010, 03:47 PM
Bill KoskiOne couldn't possibly believe the University would have whitewashed the culprits shenanigans in an effort to keep the millions of global warming dollars rolling in would they??????????
TAKE IT TO THE BANK!!!!!
Later, Bill Koski
April 06, 2010, 03:52 PM
Larry Heath
Later Larry
Sapere aude!
"Put some jam on the bottom shelf where the little man can reach it."
"The Truth", it's just another liberal conspiracy!
April 06, 2010, 05:06 PM
Trans Ladyquote:
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Originally posted by Jeremy J.:
You do realize Rae Strait is 1500 miles from the North Pole right?
Well, in 1940 Henry Larsen was the second to sail the passage. In 1944 his return trip took an even more nothernly route than Admundsen's trip, and he did it in less than three months.
Your link about the USS Skate documents breaking through 25 feet of ice. In 2001 the thickness of the ice at the NP was measured between 2.3-2.6 meters between 2001-2004. In 2007 it was measured at 1.3 meters.
Did you even watch the video of the USS Skate?
http://www.icue.com/portal/sit...tview/?cuecard=41751Look carefully at the ice floating in the water.
Also checkout the thickness of the ice on the deck.
Does that look like 25 feet of ice to you? More like 2 or 3 feet to me.
Here's some more photo's...................
http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/08578.htmApril 06, 2010, 05:27 PM
<Jeremy J.>quote:
Originally posted by Trans Lady:
USS Skate heads north on another epic cruise into the strange underseas realm first opened up by our nuclear submarines. Last year, the Skate and her sister-sub Nautilus both cruised under the Arctic ice to the Pole. Then, conditions were most favorable. The Skate’s job is to see if it can be done when the Arctic winter is at its worst, with high winds pushing the floes into motion and the ice as thick as twenty-five feet.
From your own post AND source trying to refute my area vs. volume argument....
April 06, 2010, 05:28 PM
<Jeremy J.>If you're not using the USS Skate link as a means of rebuttal then I don't see where you're going with this............
April 06, 2010, 07:33 PM
announcerIt's too damn hot up here to argue about Global Warming!
Please Republicans...Run the quitter in 2012...Quit-ter...Quit-ter..Quit-ter!
April 06, 2010, 07:41 PM
Trans Ladyquote:
Originally posted by Jeremy J.:
If you're not using the USS Skate link as a means of rebuttal then I don't see where you're going with this............
"with high winds pushing the
floes into motion"
An ice floe is a floating chunk of ice that is less than 10 kilometers (six miles) in its greatest dimension.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_iceApparently the sea ice was not that thick for the USS Skate to penetrateit once the wind blew floes out of the way.
Just trying to give you some historical variation regarding the Artic in terms of thickness and extents.
April 07, 2010, 07:00 AM
Grandma / Gpa
Zell/Granny 2012 Send Your Thanks To the U.S.Military Post a Message to our Soldiers Of all the things I've lost,
I miss my mind the most
Grandpa Bob
Professional Fence Hanger / Spectator
Former Crew Chief
Grandma's Rocking ChairApril 07, 2010, 07:17 PM
<Jeremy J.>92° in Central Park today. That's 10° hotter than the average high in AUGUST.
April 08, 2010, 01:43 AM
<Jeremy J.>quote:
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Originally posted by Jeremy J.:
That is an Australian blog..... maybe you guys should ask them how their summer was.
Every SUMMER I've lived through was hot!
Same goes for winter, didn't stop you guys from using that to promote your agenda.
Now back to the topic..... why are you posting a link about a report using NASA and NSIDC as a data source?
Still waiting.....
Blackie?
April 08, 2010, 11:45 AM
Bob HMaybe blackie is waiting for when he feels more demo.
repos don't answer when cornered about providing facts.
April 08, 2010, 04:20 PM
82Blackbirdquote:
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Originally posted by Jeremy J.:
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Originally posted by Jeremy J.:
That is an Australian blog..... maybe you guys should ask them how their summer was.
Every SUMMER I've lived through was hot!
Same goes for winter, didn't stop you guys from using that to promote your agenda.
Now back to the topic..... why are you posting a link about a report using NASA and NSIDC as a data source?
Still waiting.....
Blackie?
Because I WANT to, DUH!!!
April 08, 2010, 06:11 PM
<Jeremy J.>14 states record top 10 warmest March's in the last 115 years..... only 8 states below normal.
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/ 
April 08, 2010, 08:24 PM
82Blackbirdquote:
Originally posted by Jeremy J.:
14 states record top 10 warmest March's in the last 115 years..... only 8 states below normal.
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/
From Wikipedia;
North America
File:El Niño regional impacts.gif
Regional impacts of warm ENSO episodes (El Niño).See also: Effects of the El Niño-Southern Oscillation in the United States
In North America, El Niño creates warmer-than-average winters in the upper Midwest states and the Northwest, thus reduced snowfall than average during winter. Meanwhile, central and southern California, northwest Mexico and the southwestern U.S. become significantly wetter while the northern Gulf of Mexico states and Southeast states (including Tidewater and northeast Mexico) are wetter and cooler than average during the El Niño phase of the oscillation.[22][23] Summer is wetter in the intermountain regions of the U.S. The Pacific Northwest states, on the other hand, tend to experience dry, mild but foggy winters and warm, sunny and early springs.
In Canada, both warmer and drier winters (due to forcing of the Polar Jet further north) occur, although relatively little variation is seen in the Maritime Provinces. The following summer is less stormy and warmer over the middle of the country. It is believed that the ice-storm in January 1998, which devastated parts of Southern Ontario and Southern Quebec, may have been caused or at least accentuated by El Niño's warming effects.[24] El Niño also warmed up weather in Vancouver for the 2010 Winter Olympics, such that the area experienced subtropical-like weather during the games.[25]
El Niño is also associated with increased wave-caused coastal erosion along the United States Pacific Coast.
Fits your map doesn't it JJ?
But, in your own words "weather is not climate".
April 08, 2010, 09:21 PM
Bill KoskiFunny how the rocket scientists ignore that little factoid, weather is not climat, when it suits them!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TAKE IT TO THE BANK!!!!!
Later, Bill Koski
April 08, 2010, 09:33 PM
muggsJJ is still posting yesterdays weather? At least that way he can never make a bad forecast!
April 10, 2010, 12:37 AM
<Jeremy J.>Is Blackie or Koski EVER going to tell us how climate and weather are not different? Still waiting!
April 10, 2010, 12:38 AM
<Jeremy J.>quote:
Originally posted by muggs:
JJ is still posting yesterdays weather? At least that way he can never make a bad forecast!
There's going to be a chance of rain 95% of the days from here on out until October. That should be a safe forecast!
