Originally posted by Canted Valve: Believe what you will...........
------------------- "An editorial signed by 16 prominent scientists in the Wall Street Journal takes sharp issue with calls for drastic action against global warming, asserting that the threat is far from “incontrovertible” as alarmists claim.
“A candidate for public office in any contemporary democracy may have to consider what, if anything, to do about ‘global warming,’” the article states.
“Candidates should understand that the oft-repeated claim that nearly all scientists demand that something dramatic be done to stop global warming is not true. In fact, a large and growing number of distinguished scientists and engineers do not agree that drastic actions on global warming are needed.”
The scientists point to Nobel Prize-winning physicist Ivar Giaever, who resigned from the American Physical Society in September due to the organization’s position that the evidence for global warming is “incontrovertible” and the threat requires “mitigating actions” to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.
The 16 scientists — including Richard Lindzen, professor of atmospheric sciences at MIT, and William Happer, professor of physics at Princeton — say in the Journal piece: “In spite of a multidecade international campaign to enforce the message that increasing amounts of the ‘pollutant’ carbon dioxide will destroy civilization, large numbers of scientists, many very prominent, share the opinions of Dr. Giaever.
“The reason is a collection of stubborn scientific facts.”
The “most inconvenient” fact cited by the scientists is the lack of global warming over the past 10 years.
Also, in the 22 years since the U.N.’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change began issuing projections, warming has consistently been less than predicted.
This suggests that “computer models have greatly exaggerated how much warming additional CO2 can cause. Faced with this embarrassment, those promoting alarm have shifted their drumbeat from warming to weather extremes, to enable anything unusual that happens in our chaotic climate to be ascribed to CO2,” the Op-Ed article states.
Why then does the call for action against global warming persist? The scientists say: Follow the money.
“Alarmism over climate is of great benefit to many, providing government funding for academic research and a reason for government bureaucracies to grow,” they declare.
“Alarmism also offers an excuse for governments to raise taxes, taxpayer-funded subsidies for businesses that understand how to work the political system, and a lure for big donations to charitable foundations promising to save the planet.”
They conclude: “Speaking for many scientists and engineers who have looked carefully and independently at the science of climate, we have a message to any candidate for public office: There is no compelling scientific argument for drastic action to ‘decarbonize’ the world's economy.
“Every candidate should support rational measures to protect and improve our environment, but it makes no sense at all to back expensive programs that divert resources from real needs and are based on alarming but untenable claims of ‘incontrovertible’ evidence.”
Other scientists who signed the editorial include aerospace engineer Burt Rutan, designer of Voyager and SpaceShipOne; Harrison H. Schmitt, Apollo 17 astronaut and former U.S. senator; Michael Kelly, professor of technology at the University of Cambridge; and Jan Breslow, head of the Laboratory of Biochemical Genetics and Metabolism at Rockefeller University.
Temperatures in some areas in Europe on Thursday sank to minus 26.5 F. Parts of the Black Sea froze near the Romanian coastline and rare snow fell on Croatian islands in the Adriatic Sea."
--------------------------- Of particular interest is the above quoted "This suggests that “computer models have greatly exaggerated how much warming additional CO2 can cause." You know you can make more horsepower with your 502 inch bracket motor than W.J. if you keep increasing the rpm, valve size, cam, etc,. etc. on your desktop dyno! Now I hope this finally settles this issue and you boys can go back to playing nice. Or is my Mother the only one that said that?
According to Larry, all those people are ignorant!
Greg Stanley Off the grid and off my rocker!
February 06, 2012, 03:28 PM
Canted Valve
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According to Larry, all those people are ignorant!
Stupid is as stupid does, Sir.
Illegitimi non carborundum
February 06, 2012, 06:08 PM
BD
The megarich industrialists hate any talk or reaction by the government to any environmental concern, real or not, no matter.
They can poison the air, water, earth everywhere and live on a pristine island, on which I would bet would be very environmentally proper.
_____________________________ Wes Scott
February 06, 2012, 07:51 PM
drag57
The earth does not have an unlimited ability to heal itself. There is this thing called science, its mostly a democratic thing nowadays but its pretty cool. Fill your pool with oil and check back in a year, see if its better. Leave your car running in the garage and see how nice the air is. We won't ruin the planet this year or next but we are hurting it. If you don't get that you are very selfish and naive.
February 06, 2012, 08:17 PM
BD
Either naive or a TEA party member.
My sister in law is big on the TEA party. She and I do not always see eye to eye. Truth is, she is a really good person, but easily swayed. We had a brief discussion about the environment at a relatives visitation when he passed. The next day she phoned my mother in law (her mother) and told her "Wes believes in global warming" like I was a devil worshiper or something. She is very religious.
_____________________________ Wes Scott
February 06, 2012, 09:08 PM
undacuva67
hehe , drag we are gonna burn a lot of fuel in fla racing the next few weeks . might ought to get you a oxygen bottle cause i plan on destroying a heck of a lot of fla o-zone ....
February 12, 2012, 07:36 PM
undacuva67
global warming confirmed , 40 in fla . must be all the drag and circle track cars running down here .
February 12, 2012, 08:15 PM
Trans Lady
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Originally posted by drag57: The earth does not have an unlimited ability to heal itself.
February 13, 2012, 09:40 AM
David Covey
And there ya go...
Dave
"It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance." -Thomas Sowell
February 14, 2012, 01:22 PM
Bill Koski
A study just released finally compared the effect on the environment that petroleum fuel powered vehicles have compared to battery powered vehicles! Not good for the green weenies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TAKE IT TO THE BANK!!!!! Later, Bill Koski
February 14, 2012, 02:04 PM
Bucky
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Originally posted by Bill Koski: A study just released finally compared the effect on the environment that petroleum fuel powered vehicles have compared to battery powered vehicles! Not good for the green weenies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Link?
Foxtrot Juliet Bravo
February 14, 2012, 02:06 PM
Bill Koski
FACT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Find it or stay in the dark! You'll have to look elsewhere but the lame stream left-wing moron media without a doubt!
TAKE IT TO THE BANK!!!!! Later, Bill Koski
February 16, 2012, 04:43 AM
Bucky
So, I have to look in the right wing media? I'm not challenging what you are saying, just wanted to read what you read.
Foxtrot Juliet Bravo
February 16, 2012, 09:40 AM
Bill Koski
If that's what you call organizations that don't censor what they want people to be privy to! $3,900,000,000.00 of American tax payers money has been doled out to alternative energy scammers that have political ties to "dyckhead obama bin lyin'"! It would have been more productive to stuff it down a rat hole!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TAKE IT TO THE BANK!!!!! Later, Bill Koski
February 16, 2012, 10:45 AM
BD
Yeah, sort of like the billions and trillions that were placed in the hands of the military/industrial complex and oil companies of the past administration.
Screw Koski. Screw Bush.
_____________________________ Wes Scott
February 16, 2012, 12:37 PM
Bucky
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If that's what you call organizations that don't censor what they want people to be privy to!
Perhaps we should all just rely on Rush to provide unbiased news delivery.
Foxtrot Juliet Bravo
February 17, 2012, 01:39 PM
Bill Koski
"dyckhead obama bin lyin's'" green energy scam is finally providing some jobs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! There are now 400,000 bankruptcy ambulance chasers involved picking through the pieces of the scam to see if the vultures left anything of value!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TAKE IT TO THE BANK!!!!! Later, Bill Koski
March 02, 2012, 05:10 PM
Larry Heath
Acid History As human activity continues to pump nearly 50-fold more CO2 into the atmosphere than any existing natural sources, the oceans absorb it. Over time, this vast quantity of excess oceanic CO2 is expected to decrease oceanic pH and have marked effects on calcifying marine species. Looking to the past for records of the consequences, other instances of ocean acidifi cation in geologic history caused by large natural events, such as volcanism, may help predict the oceans’ response to contemporary CO2 levels. Hönisch et al. (p. 1058) review the geological events that potentially altered oceanic pH, from the last deglaciation to the largest mass extinction in Earth’s history. The current rate of anthropogenic CO2 input into the oceans is much faster than at any other instance in the past, but yet it is unclear whether or not future ocean pH will be significantly affected.
"Put some jam on the bottom shelf where the little man can reach it."
"The Truth", it's just another liberal conspiracy!
March 02, 2012, 05:45 PM
drag57
Larry, Please don't quote information from smart people. we know there is no global warming because it was cold in Florida the other day. What more proof do you need??? Can you people act any more like a simpleton?? I guess not.
March 02, 2012, 07:41 PM
undacuva67
yet it is unclear whether or not future ocean pH will be significantly affected.