Bracket Talk
Pittsburgh Raceway Park

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September 14, 2009, 07:03 AM
Chris Ruby
Pittsburgh Raceway Park
Is it me or did it seem like it took forever to stage the jr dragsters for the run-off and track championship runs? Don't know much about jr dragsters but I would expect a simular amount of heat to build up in the engines just sitting on the line as does the Big cars. I would have to believe it would not have been tolerated in the Top or Mod classes. I'm just asking.
September 14, 2009, 07:50 AM
prest911
jr's dont have autostart..so they quickly learn how to burn each other down..mostly because of us bad parents.lol Busted


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September 14, 2009, 08:45 AM
MadMonte454
quote:
Originally posted by Chris Ruby:
Is it me or did it seem like it took forever to stage the jr dragsters for the run-off and track championship runs? Don't know much about jr dragsters but I would expect a simular amount of heat to build up in the engines just sitting on the line as does the Big cars. I would have to believe it would not have been tolerated in the Top or Mod classes. I'm just asking.



Chris, yes it makes a BIG difference in the amount of heat the engine has when you make a pass. Hotter than normal it will run quick and colder than normal it will run slower.

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September 14, 2009, 09:12 AM
Andamo
If this is the case that they're trying to burn another car down, it's time for the Jr. dragsters to have Autostart too. Every one of the specific classes has it's own set of rules for the bracket they run in. But all the classes should abide by the tracks or organizations Procedure rules. And I'm sure in the procedure rules it says timely and courtesy staging rules apply. The basis of the Jr. dragsters is teaching proper race procedures and sportsmanship along with the competition. Lets not start bad habits early.
Also, maybe the rules and procedures should be on the webpage or printed out and handed out so folks know.
September 14, 2009, 09:24 AM
MadMonte454
The jr's do have auto start and the kids are not doing anything at all. There is nothing other than courtesy for how long it takes you to send the car to get pre-staged.
September 14, 2009, 11:17 AM
jeffrey10x2
each jr and jr parent have their own set procedures before they send their car to the beams. i know i for one, will always wait and watch the other car before i send ryan to the beams. usually the parents will look at each other and indicate that are ready to go.
if a parent sends their car to the beams before that, then make sure your car doesnt get hot.
almost like if someone constantly double bulbs.
i always told ryan , if someone does that, sit back, grab a sandwich then go in when he is ready.
also like andy said, jrs are on auto start, but you need 3 bulbs lit up before it starts counting down.


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September 14, 2009, 11:30 AM
Andamo
Ok, I was going by Bill's post that the Jr's don't use the Autostart. I stand corrected.
September 14, 2009, 08:29 PM
Steve from Pa
That was us, and I wasn't trying to burn anyone down.
You guys are right the juniors have a very narrow temp window. We ran one pass that night, Andy and Andrew were doing well and made it to the finals of the gamblers race.... at least I think they did??
Our car absolutly needs to be above 148 degrees to launch clean in cool air, it was 64.8 degrees air temp on that run, I just looked back through our log of all year. On May 30th 2009 we made a run at 68.7 degrees. Ya maybe I took a little longer to get staged than normal, I don't know, I was trying to get our egt up with our carbs air bleed adjuster.

.......Put yourself in my shoes, would you send your son up to stage knowing full well that your car was going to launch-cough and probably run at least a tenth slow? or would you take.... what anouther 10 to 20 seconds adjust the carb and prestage?


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September 14, 2009, 09:00 PM
jeffrey10x2
steve, i would have done the exact same thing.

like i said before, i always wait till the other car is ready to go up before i send ryan up.
there are ways to keep it cool, lower idle then bring it up before you send them to the beams, richer jetting, ect.

you did nothing but give your son a car that he could compete in. which any dad would have done the same.

you did nothing wrong at all!!!

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September 14, 2009, 09:35 PM
MadMonte454
Me and Steve talked about it and he said it wasn't intentional, and thats where it will be left.

Now heck with this crap and go kick some tail at the bracket finals!!

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September 14, 2009, 09:50 PM
prest911
i rescued a puppy today and it needs a good home..cute as h ell!!looks like a small lab or something of that breed.blonde in color male about 10-12 weeks old..


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September 15, 2009, 08:39 AM
green1
Hey guys I am wondering if the ghost and gobbling race is gonna be run 1/8 mile also like the dragster race or if it is gonna be 1/4 mile? Thanks
September 15, 2009, 08:54 AM
ChuckT
Only the dragster race will be 1/8th mile. The no-box/box racing all 3 days is scheduled to be 1/4 mile.


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September 15, 2009, 09:12 AM
green1
Thanks Chuck!
September 15, 2009, 10:02 AM
ChuckT
It's going to be a fun weekend. I look forward to it every year. Stay tuned for the flyer with the details... Greg is working hard on making the racing really nice.


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September 15, 2009, 11:08 AM
ironman
Anyone close to Delmont or the track have 4 corner scales to get my car on and see what it weighs? I want to change the front springs but not until I see how much is hanging over the front.


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September 15, 2009, 05:37 PM
RJ Benish
Congrats to the Vasbinders on their jr. track championship....job well done guys Smile
September 15, 2009, 05:49 PM
Mr. Obvious
Good job Thomas on your championship.
Keep that hard working crew of yours.
They only need a "thank you" for their pay.
Obviously ...


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September 15, 2009, 07:13 PM
BILL BARR
quote:
Originally posted by MadMonte454:
Me and Steve talked about it and he said it wasn't intentional, and thats where it will be left.

Now heck with this crap and go kick some tail at the bracket finals!!


Well said Andy. Glad to hear it. I'm sure in the heat of the moment it may have seemed like a long time, but I'm SURE it was not intentional.

Way to go Thomas AND Andrew. We will be well represented at the Finals!


BILL BARR
September 15, 2009, 09:16 PM
Leadhead15717
Congrats to Steve and Thomas and My apologies!
The situation was not of your doing and My actions were not warranted. , My apologies to Gregg also U didn't make this mess but had to endure my ranting, good thing you have big shoulders!


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