Bracket Talk
New Combo 3.875 x 4.185 23 degree sbc 427

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May 21, 2022, 10:16 AM
Mike Rietow
New Combo 3.875 x 4.185 23 degree sbc 427
What should the MPH be 750 hp?

Out of the box Brodix Track 1 233

4500 BLP Dominator

PKRE fabricated / Ported Edelbrock 4500 flange SV2

TSI BCRCXLS 8" opel core converter / spragless went 6500 stall behind RIPPER WRENCH 710hp pump gas BBC 496

Motive 4.57 gear

87 rollout DOT street tires

3200 lb Factory conition 1969 Nova SS muscle car, all steel, rollup windows

High Gear only- Super Pro bracket racing







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May 22, 2022, 05:14 PM
B KING
quote:
Originally posted by Mike Rietow:
What should the MPH be 750 hp?

Out of the box Brodix Track 1 233

4500 BLP Dominator

PKRE fabricated / Ported Edelbrock 4500 flange SV2

TSI BCRCXLS 8" opel core converter / spragless went 6500 stall behind RIPPER WRENCH 710hp pump gas BBC 496

Motive 4.57 gear

87 rollout DOT street tires

3200 lb Factory conition 1969 Nova SS muscle car, all steel, rollup windows

High Gear only- Super Pro bracket racing



Heck I don't know, but there's only one way to find out; get it to the track! Wink

I like what you are trying to do with the set-up. The proof will be in round wins, good luck.


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May 22, 2022, 05:34 PM
Bucky
I’m waiting for pistons for me 3.875x 4.165 with track 1’s. And twin turbos


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May 23, 2022, 09:27 AM
Mike Rietow
quote:
Originally posted by B KING:
quote:
Originally posted by Mike Rietow:
What should the MPH be 750 hp?

Out of the box Brodix Track 1 233

4500 BLP Dominator

PKRE fabricated / Ported Edelbrock 4500 flange SV2

TSI BCRCXLS 8" opel core converter / spragless went 6500 stall behind RIPPER WRENCH 710hp pump gas BBC 496

Motive 4.57 gear

87 rollout DOT street tires

3200 lb Factory conition 1969 Nova SS muscle car, all steel, rollup windows

High Gear only- Super Pro bracket racing



Heck I don't know, but there's only one way to find out; get it to the track! Wink

I like what you are trying to do with the set-up. The proof will be in round wins, good luck.


Dial'd 6.39, I should be chasing anyone 5.90 or slower at the stripe, or match mph.

The tires are easy to get, cheap and easy to mount. Personally I think they'll be more consistent than any other tire I can buy, being I can put it in high gear at trans brake release, and still run around 113 mph dial'd 6.40.

I put the matching tires on the front, the car handles much better, steering wheel is heavy, the car steers itself straight.
May 23, 2022, 09:42 AM
Mike Rietow
quote:
Originally posted by Bucky:
I’m waiting for pistons for me 3.875x 4.165 with track 1’s. And twin turbos


You'll like that better than that 3.750 stroke.
May 23, 2022, 03:41 PM
Curly1
Why would you not go with a 4 inch stroke and why use Track 1 heads?

With good cranks now days no reason not to go with more stroke. The Track 1 are much better than factory heads but certainly not the best 23* heads and no where near some of the 18 or 15* heads.


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May 23, 2022, 07:33 PM
Wooley
If Curly, I’ve put together quite a few 4” stroke deals and just as many 3.875. In my opinion and that’s all it is and worth. The 4” stroke in a std type small block means too many compromises. Yes that combination is very popular but I still think in a std block the shorter stroke can get you 99% of the power without as many issues. Like I said, just my opinion and it’s worth exactly what you paid for it.
May 24, 2022, 09:06 AM
Mike Rietow
quote:
Originally posted by Curly1:
Why would you not go with a 4 inch stroke and why use Track 1 heads?

With good cranks now days no reason not to go with more stroke. The Track 1 are much better than factory heads but certainly not the best 23* heads and no where near some of the 18 or 15* heads.


We've been looking since 2017, for one quicker / faster n/a.

No one around here has been a 5 n/a conventional 23 degree sbc.

Not with a all steel muscle car.

Pretty sure this is the quickest / fastest muscle car ever 1/8 mile, conventional 23 degree sbc.


May 24, 2022, 10:11 AM
Bucky
I think he is stuck with 23 degree heads. If that is the case, I think 4” stroke exceeds the ability of most 23 to deliver and perform imo. I can’t speak to the ability of these particular heads as I don’t know what work has been done to them. Chad Speier has about the best selection of really nice performing 23 degree heads. But maybe the rules dictate what can be done to them


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May 24, 2022, 11:23 AM
Luvtruck
quote:
Originally posted by Mike Rietow:
quote:
Originally posted by Curly1:
Why would you not go with a 4 inch stroke and why use Track 1 heads?

With good cranks now days no reason not to go with more stroke. The Track 1 are much better than factory heads but certainly not the best 23* heads and no where near some of the 18 or 15* heads.


We've been looking since 2017, for one quicker / faster n/a.

No one around here has been a 5 n/a conventional 23 degree sbc.

Not with a all steel muscle car.

Pretty sure this is the quickest / fastest muscle car ever 1/8 mile, conventional 23 degree sbc.



I've got a set on top of a stockblock running 5.50s at 2750lbs.....oh and has a 4" crank in it too
May 24, 2022, 11:46 AM
Yellow Ticket
Thanks for labeling parts of your car, but I'm pretty sure most of us know where these are parts are located.
May 24, 2022, 12:28 PM
Luvtruck
quote:
Originally posted by Yellow Ticket:
Thanks for labeling parts of your car, but I'm pretty sure most of us know where these are parts are located.


The one at the top claiming a 5second ride is incorrect
May 24, 2022, 12:51 PM
Footloose
Mike that is a cortina core above right? I have an old GER from the early 90's. Still works fine.The out side shell looks just like yours. I wonder if they used cortina cores too? A 4 inch stroke can have more issues on a slick track
May 24, 2022, 03:31 PM
Mike Rietow
quote:
Originally posted by Footloose:
Mike that is a cortina core above right? I have an old GER from the early 90's. Still works fine.The out side shell looks just like yours. I wonder if they used cortina cores too? A 4 inch stroke can have more issues on a slick track


That's a 8" opel core TSI BCRCXLS.
May 24, 2022, 03:33 PM
Mike Rietow
quote:
Originally posted by Yellow Ticket:
Thanks for labeling parts of your car, but I'm pretty sure most of us know where these are parts are located.


Good luck finding another like it that has been in the 5's n/a 23 sbc.

I've been looking since 2017

Keep me posted on progress.
May 24, 2022, 03:45 PM
1320racer
Your shytbox ain’t been in the 5s n/a either!
May 24, 2022, 05:38 PM
Mike Rietow
Top Dog. Quickest / fastest 1/8 mile n/a 23 sbc muscle car on the planet.

The RIPPER

With an engine & transmission designed and assembled in house.
May 24, 2022, 06:50 PM
1320racer
baseless claims^^^
May 24, 2022, 06:55 PM
Mike Rietow
RIPPER WRENCH making it look easy again.





May 24, 2022, 07:23 PM
1320racer
we've all seen it before and what it ain't is a 5 second n/a pass nor the quickest/fastest anything.