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Bracket Talk Bracket Talk Forum Tech Talk - by Abruzzi Anyone build a 615 or 598 using the DART 20 Degree headsGo | New | Find | Notify | Tools | Reply | |
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| DRR S/Pro |
Whomp The racers who have used this in my area have gone away from it due to inconsistencies. Not on a given day but day to day. The first run has been like a box of chocolates, never know what your gonna get! Once they had the first run baseline all was good. And I was not due to old fuel or anything related to handling of the fuel. | |||
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| DRR Sportsman |
Did I see you go 191mph Saturday Ray? | |||
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I wish Greg LOL Working for the Weekend!!!! Fordyce Motorsports | |||
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| DRR Sportsman |
I have had very very few issues with Q over the years. When I do it is generally self inflicted. The one thing that will KILL it is air. I used to buy it by the drum as the cost was significantly less. We stopped doing that when we found after repeated opening and closing of the drum made the last few gallons useless. Seems it had seen enough air from pumping it that it was just not good. Smell was different, and it did not run as well in the car. So we switched to pails and never looked back. Never seen any issues since. Q is also a very forgiving fuel with a WIDE tuning window. I feel it is great for bracket racing being so forgiving. I have run it since 2009 and love the stuff. The consistency is what kept me using it, well that and the closest was the same as the C14+ I was using. FWIW in the heads up car we run C45, you want to talk about a finicky fuel, it has a very very narrow tuning window. But man does it make some power. It is even more sensitive to air than Q is as well. "I am not ashamed to confess I am ignorant of what I do not know." Marcus Tullius Cicero | |||
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| DRR Pro |
Got away from that shyt long time ago hear they took some stuff out of it but not sure....wasn’t for me | |||
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| DRR S/Pro |
I will say this, I know of no Q combo that is anymore consistent than my regular race gas deal. Also, both Q and C45 are just NOS in a can! And neither are worth the agg to maintain the O2 placed in the fuel IMO not to mention the safety end of things. Like I said above,,, and its easier to spray 30 to 75 HP than deal with that stuff... | |||
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| DRR S/Pro |
Amen!  | |||
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| DRR Sportsman |
And I have had ZERO issues using either. Q was worth SQWAT On the dyno over C25 actually and 11HP over C14+ it is NOT about the power for me on the bracket car. Typical Q set up for me requires a 490' move in the DA to change .01 in the stop timer. Never saw that on C25 or C14+...C45 definitely makes power. It also has a VERY SMALL tuning window and not even a decent choice for a bracket car with an octane rating of 100 it aint for all. But if you want every bit out of a heads up type combo there is no comparison. We run it in the heads up car and saw a significant gain in power over Q16. Obviously your mileage will vary and apparently you have had issues with it. "I am not ashamed to confess I am ignorant of what I do not know." Marcus Tullius Cicero | |||
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| DRR S/Pro |
And I have had ZERO issues using either. Q was worth SQWAT On the dyno over C25 actually and 11HP over C14+ it is NOT about the power for me on the bracket car. Typical Q set up for me requires a 490' move in the DA to change .01 in the stop timer. Never saw that on C25 or C14+...C45 definitely makes power. It also has a VERY SMALL tuning window and not even a decent choice for a bracket car with an octane rating of 100 it aint for all. But if you want every bit out of a heads up type combo there is no comparison. We run it in the heads up car and saw a significant gain in power over Q16. Obviously your mileage will vary and apparently you have had issues with it.[/QUOT ^^ lmao! We saw 22 gain on the pump with a customer 632 motor and it was not carb set up for Q. Every car we have helped Q tune picked up average of .08. We tried Sunoco’s equivalent...nope.. Trying a set of new carbs from Unfair Advantage this week on the pump. Raceless in California! | |||
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| DRR Elite |
What are the safety issues with Q? Foxtrot Juliet Bravo | |||
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| DRR S/Pro |
Like any fuel, shouldn’t breath it or skin contact. But we race so.... The issues I’ve heard about corrosion, gaskets etc have not been there for us. No corrosion, we don’t drain carbs, no gasket failures etc... not about to switch now. VP Q is the SHYT  Raceless in California! | |||
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| DRR Pro |
Just take you a big whiff of it then you’ll know... | |||
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| DRR S/Pro |
 Big time!Raceless in California! | |||
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| DRR S/Pro |
I'd recommend a small wfiff,,, a big one may cause you to pass out!  | |||
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A racer who posts here occasionally found out the hard way that Q fumes are extremely combustible. Lost a very nice Super Stock Calais chassis in the incident. Tony Leonard | |||
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Q fuels will gag a maggot at 50 paces I ran the Q-15 mix a few years ago for a while and couldn't stand it... VP in general is way more toxic smelling than Sunoco.... I had to run VP this past weekend and immediately notice the smell...very offensive to my nose... | |||
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Other than Nitro what fuel's fumes aren't extremely combustible? ____________________________ 2017 and 2018 Osage Casinos Tulsa Raceway Park No-Box Champion 2018 Div4 Goodguys Hammer award winner | |||
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Never an issue with corrosion.I don't drain the carb either. Have been using it for years on the 1450 and the SV1.. I can tell you this, when I'm under the tunnel at RT66 and fire it up, it will clear the area. Curious on the guys that use it. Whats your emulsion package and what boosters are you using.Aside from the normal jetting? In their VP sheets, (MSDS) Information is a little lean compared to the other VP fuels. I would really like to know what O2 content is in the mix.This message has been edited. Last edited by: TD3550, | |||
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| DRR S/Pro |
Fair point, but there are certainly different degrees of flammability. Every time I pump methanol into jugs, I end up with a puddle on the floor. It is flammable for some period, but I don't think twice about it. Tony Leonard | |||
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| DRR Sportsman |
The ONLY issues that seem to come up are from air getting to the fuel, and moisture depending on where you live. If we leave it in the car moderate amount of time we will just plug the vent on the cell and vent tubes so it does not see air. If it is going to set for a log period of time as in off months of racing I will usually drain it and put it back in the pail, then use the chrome foil duct tape over the top of the cap. I quit buying it by the drum because when we would get to the bottom of the drum no matter how careful we were about the aint it was just not so good, you can even smell it. "I am not ashamed to confess I am ignorant of what I do not know." Marcus Tullius Cicero | |||
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