Imagine if NHRA thought like Mike

Every stocker would pick up a bunch !!! Especially the Nova's

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Originally posted by HS professor:

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OEM flat Ram Air hood

For now LOL

maybe for as long as I own this car.

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Originally posted by HS professor:

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If rules dictated a flatter hood, I could get one on the car trust me.

Chevelles came from the factory with 2" cowls, I'm pretty sure the spirit of a muscle car class could be upheld with one on a Nova or Camaro.

Now a 4" cowl like you have on your factory condition 69 Firebird, wouldn't fit the spirit of a muscle car class because you can see it from the finish line or across the parking lot, 2" cowl you can't, and I'm presuming this is why you're triggered.

Looks flat enough, no?

STILL NO !!!! And far from triggered, just stating the fact's

A flat hood and a 2" cowl hood are certainly not the same !!!
Find me one person, other than you who agrees with your statement

I have an oem ram-air hood on my kids Firebird, it's actually the same height as the Firebird flat hood, actually flat....... We only ran the 4" cowl "hand made" during his first year of racing because we needed the extra clearance for the restrictor plate to slow it down to 12.50's. We always hated that hood, It's in the rafters where it belongs.
Both our footbrake cars have OEM FLAT hoods, actually FLAT.

LoL!!

When will it dawn on you we're talking about a hypothetical NHRA class I never claimed I was legal or illegal? I gotta laugh.

You're like a guy who won't accept yes for an answer. LOL!!

It's like a hypothetical speed record or something.

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It's like a hypothetical speed record or something.

Let me know when you find a AFR faster, shouldn't take you long, every Tom, Dyck and Harry crate engine builder uses them and claim they're faster than Brodix,,,, Wrong.

I think Bill "Big Speed" Cerelli would have something to say about Mike's claim.

HS Professor will remember back in the day when Bill's engines were in Rick's, Jimmy's, Frank's and Andrew's cars. IIRC, they ranged in cubes from 350 to 434 had AFR heads and ALL ran big speed for their ET's. Frank was the quickest and Fastest, dipping into the 9's. The others ran low to high 10s.

I think you're right Ed. The problem is the weight.

The only reason my Nova is heavy is because I always wanted the option to restore it back to how it came off the showroom floor in 69.

I think it holds its value better dual purpose.

It's a factory 69 SS.

We've never seen one around here run these speeds 3200 lbs n/a sbc out of the box Brodix or AFR 23 degree cylinder heads.

From the looks of it nobody else anywhere in the USA, has either.

Some of the cars I mentioned weighed 3200 and maybe one was heavier

Cool, sounds good. Evidence?

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Originally posted by HS professor:
Imagine if NHRA thought like Mike

Every stocker would pick up a bunch !!! Especially the Nova's

Wait til he tells you that he lifts the back of the hood up a wee bit for more air and then flips the air cleaner lid upside down.

Rutrow is no idiot.

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Cool, sounds good. Evidence?

You need to get laid mike...its obviously been awhile

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I think Bill "Big Speed" Cerelli would have something to say about Mike's claim.

HS Professor will remember back in the day when Bill's engines were in Rick's, Jimmy's, Frank's and Andrew's cars. IIRC, they ranged in cubes from 350 to 434 had AFR heads and ALL ran big speed for their ET's. Frank was the quickest and Fastest, dipping into the 9's. The others ran low to high 10s.

They all had big mph for ET, they knew of this advantage 20 yrs ago, just like 750hp bbc's. Mike's simply a few decades behind the curve....
Pat Barbones AFR headed sb easily broke the "record", and Mike Christy's S10 has gone 112+ with old straight plug Brodix, and it's heavy too.
I had a combo a few years back that ran 6.50 @115, do I win a trophy

I'm just glad I could define speed record.

Let me know when you find any out of the box conventional 23 degree faster?

Bring evidence

The other problem/obstacle for the competition (engine builder), besides the weight is, they don't do their own transmission, ring & pinion.

I do.

I'm up for a challenge. You buy the parts and I'll install it in my junk, add 100 lbs to get to 3200 and see what happens. Make sure you get the AFR 235 heads please.

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I'm up for a challenge. You buy the parts and I'll install it in my junk, add 100 lbs to get to 3200 and see what happens. Make sure you get the AFR 235 heads please.

How would you like the gearing to be? Low and final?

BTW, if you hadn't noticed, this isn't to be decided by a committee, or a vote.

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Originally posted by HS professor:

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I think Bill "Big Speed" Cerelli would have something to say about Mike's claim.

HS Professor will remember back in the day when Bill's engines were in Rick's, Jimmy's, Frank's and Andrew's cars. IIRC, they ranged in cubes from 350 to 434 had AFR heads and ALL ran big speed for their ET's. Frank was the quickest and Fastest, dipping into the 9's. The others ran low to high 10s.

They all had big mph for ET, they knew of this advantage 20 yrs ago, just like 750hp bbc's. Mike's simply a few decades behind the curve....
Pat Barbones AFR headed sb easily broke the "record", and Mike Christy's S10 has gone 112+ with old straight plug Brodix, and it's heavy too.
I had a combo a few years back that ran 6.50 @115, do I win a trophy

Bla Bla Bla

Typical AFR 23 degree sbc cylinder head hearsay, rumors.

All hat no cattle.

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Originally posted by Mike Rietow:


Bla Bla Bla

Typical AFR 23 degree sbc cylinder head hearsay, rumors.

All hat no cattle.

My stuff will outrun your junk and mine is not set on kill. Mine has AFR 235 which is not even best AFR head. Yes my stuff has a few more inches and car is lighter but do the math. You come up short every time. And my stuff is conservative because I want good valve train durability. Put my motor in my Camaro and it would run around 5.80-5.90? In any case 6.40 is simply not impressive and you are at sea level. I race in 2500 to 7500 DA. You race in that air what would your car run 6.60?
Even on dyno my 434 with Brodix Track 1 heads ran out of steam and would not pull nearly as much RPM or make nearly the same HP per cube as the AFR heads did and it shows on the track in ET and MPH. Both motors had same Enderle hat injection , same car, same rear gear, same weight, almost same compression, same converter. Yet AFR head motor runs .32 faster with only 20 cubic inches more. Once again you do the math. My AFR 235 motor makes more power per cubic inch than my Track 1 motor did. The fact that the AFR headed motor pulled much more RPM on the dyno tells me the Track 1 heads were choking it down. Even with 20 more cubic inches the AFR 235 motor pulled way more RPM before it started dropping off. That is another indication they flow better. (And made more Horsepower!)
Another thing that makes me think Track 1 heads were choking it down is when it did stop pulling on dyno is as soon as it peaked power dropped off fast.
With my AFR motor it peaked and then still made good power a few hundred RPM past peak. I think that helps with consistency as it should have a little more flexibility if I miss shift point. (In my class not allowed to use RPM shifter)

By the way I have had 2 motors with Brodix Track 1 heads and they were okay but my AFR motor pound for pound inch for inch outruns the Brodix headed motors every time. I am putting one of my motors with the Track 1's in my street car soon. Nothing really wrong with the Track 1 but you numbers are not impressive and certainly will not run with my stuff.

I am not saying anything bad about Brodix just saying from my experience on the track and more than hundred Dyno pulls the AFR worked better for me.

You sound like someone else around here always saying how great you are and I am not the only one not impressed.

Bla bla,,,Bla bla, bla, bla.

Put it in your chevy II and prove something for *once* in your pathetic life.

Instead of Bla bla,,,Bla bla, bla, bla.

You can't anymore than anyone else can, and every Tom, Dyck and Harry crate engine builder uses AFR, so there's more than plenty of chances.

You ain't gonna build shyt n/a, 23 sbc 3200 lbs with your own two hands, that runs with a Copo Camaro . Fact

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How about a 2970# 65 Chevelle,1.35 60 5.93 eight 116.22 9.34 ET at 143.16 MPH add in the weight dif .AFR 227 heads .Motown manifold .4150 carb At Atco April 2009.Also Andrews current 4342 ,Do not have time card but he made one run before going to 10.0 throttle stop.At 3350# He ran 9.52 at 142mph AFR 220 otb with Motown manifold 4150 carb.Engine made 720HP with stop no plates .741 HP with Q16 fuel and carb.