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Bracket Talk Bracket Talk Forum Tech Talk - by Abruzzi Morel Black Mamba LiftersGo | New | Find | Notify | Tools | Reply | |
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| DRR Elite |
Another clueless hater that ain’t done shyt nor got shyt worth talking about. | |||
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| DRR Top Comp |
Ankle humper Ed has never laid eyes on his own lifters. Ed's a crate engine drag racing expert, if you can imagine that. | |||
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Are you saying that you lost a set of Morel lifters? What part number if you don't mind my asking? ____________________________ 2017 and 2018 Osage Casinos Tulsa Raceway Park No-Box Champion 2018 Div4 Goodguys Hammer award winner | |||
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A DRR member ask me about this today & here's the answer. "Black Mamba & Bushing Style Lifter Installation 1. These lifters have a special break-in lube between the axle and the roller wheel. “DO NOT WASH IN SOLVENT.” Wipe the lifters off with a clean lint-free rag and install into engine. 2. These lifters need a break-in period with no load on motor for 25-30 minutes, varying the RPM from 1800-2200 RPM. After break-in re-lash lifters. The lash should not vary more than .001”. 3. Do not use any oil restrictors. 4. Make sure the lifter to bore clearance on cast iron blocks is .0015”-.0017” and on aluminum blocks it is .0014”-.0016”. The lifter bore roundness and taper should be a maximum of .0002”. Following these clearances will give you good oil to the rocker arms while giving you good performance and durability." 1980 Camaro Taking the Best Working Small Tire Shyt Box & making it Greater Than Before! 3000 lbs. Pump Gas 436 | |||
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Curtis, Yes and it was two different sets. This was well over 15 years ago and the build book went with the engine I sold. So sorry, I don’t have the morel part number. It was definitely a stock bore, stock height and no off-set needle bearing roller lifter. In hand it looked identical to a Crane Ultra Pro. 2005 2000lb 4 link dragster home brew 582 BBC Dart 355 1.058 2.98 4.629@149 6.094 7.310@185 | |||
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Which are junk too. Again, adv ET 266…KNOWS and broke dyck does not but he will get a first hand experience soon enough.  | |||
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That being ?  Michael Frizie ET 2471 | |||
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You better be looking for new name. If a syrup bottle can cause a problem with the PC idiots this is going to make their brainless heads explode. America home of free. Brought to you by 2nd amendment. | |||
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I followed all the instructions and they are fine. Mine where installed at .0017" lifter to bore clearance. I have 5 seasons on them. | |||
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Over the last four years in my shop i`ve seen two high ends builds come in with bushed Isky red zone lifters that destroyed the camshaft. Something about bushed lifters and massive spring pressures seam to cause a problem. In this type of engine i use only Jesel needle bearing lifters and the biggest diameter i can fit. In basic street and bracket race engines, i use Bam lifters. A very good piece for the money. On builds using hydraulic roller cams, i`ve been using Morels but in my last two builds i had an issue with plungers getting stuck. There always seams to be an issue with hydraulic roller lifters. I know some people will say go to Johnson lifters but i already seen 3 engines in my shop with destroyed cam and roller lifters from Johnson. I`m not saying Johnson is the problem but i cant tell which one failed first.  Worlds Quickest And Fastest 71 Cutlass On The Planet Earth | |||
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Some are blasting Morel because they have installation instructions? Don't they all have instructions? Besides that what Racer or Man for that matter ever reads instructions or Directions? Hello! Or Warning labels? I mean if you have to be told not to use a hair dryer in the shower maybe it is best just to leave the warning labels off and let nature take its course. Just saying. Sometimes I think the shallow end of the gene pool could stand to be cleaned up a little. Read a bunch of Warning labels and you will realize there is way too many Stupid people on this Earth. Back to the instructions. We only read instructions as a last resort and usually if we have to break out instructions we are pissed. https://postimg.cc/gallery/np3zpruo/ "Dunning-Kruger Effect" -a type of Cognitive bias where people with little expertise or ability assume they have superior expertise or ability. This overestimation occurs as a result of the fact that they do not have enough knowledge to know they don't have enough knowledge. Before you argue with someone ask yourself, "Is this person mentally mature enough to grasp the concept of a different perspective?" If not there is no point to argue. 4X NE2 CHAMPION. 2020 TDRA NE2 Champion | |||
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UPDATE: Lifters are doing well, rock solid on the valve lash checks. Been doing plenty of rips on the throttle, playing the game. I've got 3 races under the belt & plenty of testing. The next two weeks brings more testing & 7 races. After that, if I have problems with the lifters. I'll chalk it up to, "Race engines don't break sitting in the garage or trailer."  2BKing   1980 Camaro Taking the Best Working Small Tire Shyt Box & making it Greater Than Before! 3000 lbs. Pump Gas 436 | |||
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We have around 50 runs on the non-cookie cutter motor. Everything is checking good, but I'll do my normal lifter replacement at 2 years. I'll inspect them or have them rebuilt & used them for spares. Now if I have problems with them, see last sentence above.  2BKing 1980 Camaro Taking the Best Working Small Tire Shyt Box & making it Greater Than Before! 3000 lbs. Pump Gas 436 | |||
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Did you go ahead with the Black Mamba lifters or another set? ____________________________ 2017 and 2018 Osage Casinos Tulsa Raceway Park No-Box Champion 2018 Div4 Goodguys Hammer award winner | |||
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There was really no decision to make, our engine builder wanted to use them based off their experience. They had built a Blown Top Dragster motor with needle bearing lifters per the customer & when he would rip the throttle it would take the bearings out. They switched to these lifters & issue was solved. Yes, I went with them & I've done plenty of ripping so far. 2BKing  1980 Camaro Taking the Best Working Small Tire Shyt Box & making it Greater Than Before! 3000 lbs. Pump Gas 436 | |||
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Cool man. Thanks for the answer. I have looked those over and I liked the idea and design. I have run Morel solids for years always with needles though. Have my fifth set and 4 of 5 are still being used. I sold 3 of the sets. ____________________________ 2017 and 2018 Osage Casinos Tulsa Raceway Park No-Box Champion 2018 Div4 Goodguys Hammer award winner | |||
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Follow up on the lifters, we have around 200 runs on them & all is well. The only thing we have broken on this combo is a intake rocker arm body (T&D). They had around 1700 passes on them from the NA combo. All the rockers have been replaced with new. 2BKING  1980 Camaro Taking the Best Working Small Tire Shyt Box & making it Greater Than Before! 3000 lbs. Pump Gas 436 | |||
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