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What is the advantage of buying a nitrous fogger kit from company X and having them install vesus buying the same kit from company X and installing it yourself. This purchase is of a fogger kit that will spray from too 200hp to 500hp max

think I left out some meaning to this
If company flows system on intake(purchased from company). If buying the same system from them shouldn't it still flow same numbers even though i put it on instead of them.

hope this clears question up a little sorry for the confusing

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They probably know what they doing... Uncontrollable Laugh
 
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Serious question ????

I sometimes daydream about having more money than I know what to do with and having people just build me shyt, then I wake up and think what fun would that be !!!!

The first thing that comes to mind is saving money, the second is I don't trust many people with my shyt. That's all I got .......
 
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If you know how it works and the basics of the wiring you should be good DIY. IMO the advanytage is in you doing it that way you know the system in case of issue later.How many time is the guy installing going to track with you.

IMO DIY is huge satisfaction especailly when you win with it. Plus the money you save can be used to buy new pistons .LOL

Biggest thing about fogger would be the lines if you have to bend and flare them you will need quality tool especially flaring tool,


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If the professional install included flowing the system the I would think that was the way to go


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The advantage is the advantage of paying anyone to do what they do for a living. They have already corrected all the problems you will encounter on your first try.

Now, you don't learn by not doing it and some of us prefer to do it ourselves even if it means there is a learning curve. Every time I make a set of valve covers, or wire a car they turn out better and I do a better job. Just my opinion.

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Having the kit flowed and having the flow sheet is worth its weight in gold when you are trying to chase a tune up. You will find leaks while on the flow bench that will be fixed before you put the manifold on.


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If you are really going to spray above 300 for all or most of a run call Steve Johnson at Induction Solutions 352-593-5900.

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If you know how it works and the basics of the wiring you should be good DIY. IMO the advanytage is in you doing it that way you know the system in case of issue later.How many time is the guy installing going to track with you.


Lot of truth there. I was at the track one day and there was a guy with a tube chassis car pitted by me. He had just paid someone $$$ to install a new tunnel ram and two holley carbs. It was barely making it down the track. He and his sidekick couldn't figure out how to check the float level.
 
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Should be lighter and faster without the extra cash weighing you down.


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Should be lighter and faster without the extra cash weighing you down.



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To answer to OP question the first advantage would be not wasting a bunch of bent stainless tubing (don't ask me how i know) To me the only real advantage would be if they flowed it and gave you a good tune up chart and verified that there were no leaks. That being said i have seen several systems that were done and when they arrived we found tubes missing the compression sleeves and o-rings left out of the solenoids. Go figure. Both of these they claimed had been flow tested. I prefer to do my own so that i know everything will clear when installed. Good luck either way.


 
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Soft line kit from Induction solutions...dont get much easier. Looks good too!

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If you do it yourself and use SS tubing start with longest tubes.That way WHEN you screw up they can be used for sorter tubes. Not that I have ever had to do that when making lines for MFI setups. LMAO Well maybe once.


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To answer to OP question the first advantage would be not wasting a bunch of bent stainless tubing (don't ask me how i know) To me the only real advantage would be if they flowed it and gave you a good tune up chart and verified that there were no leaks. That being said i have seen several systems that were done and when they arrived we found tubes missing the compression sleeves and o-rings left out of the solenoids. Go figure. Both of these they claimed had been flow tested. I prefer to do my own so that i know everything will clear when installed. Good luck either way.
I'm in the same boat. I swear, just about anything I send out to have done comes back fu(ked up. Seriously. It's pretty amazing how inept people are anymore. I try to do everything myself...


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I did 2 kits myself after buying parts, including pre flared lines, from SJ. I'm not personally a huge fan if SJ anymore, but with Monte gone and Prock being Prock, SJ is the go to guy for sure.

The only problem I had with those kits was that one flare was done poorly and always leaked a tiny bit. I also thought the machining on one set of nozzles was pretty questionable, but in the end, they still worked fine.

I did fire both systems after assembly and there was a bunch of leaks the first time around due to assembly errors, but no big deal as long as you check before use.
 
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There's really no better way to go than getting the entire package right from the source. Companies like Induction Solutions have been at it long enough to give you a well thought out system that works right out of the box. And if there's anything that needs to be tweaked, they can easily do it over the phone or internet.


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What is the advantage of buying a nitrous fogger kit from company X and having them install vesus buying the same kit from company X and installing it yourself. This purchase is of a fogger kit that will spray from too 200hp to 500hp max

think I left out some meaning to this
If company flows system on intake(purchased from company). If buying the same system from them shouldn't it still flow same numbers even though i put it on instead of them.

hope this clears question up a little sorry for the confusing


If your talking about having them drill and tap or weld bungs on the intake, that's one question. This is not hard but many don't have the tools or skills to do it right.

As for tuning the system, you will need to either way! You should buy a new kit from one manufacture, no used pieced together crap. And follow their instructions to start and start small HP wise. If you have a data logger with O2, that will help big time! Otherwise you will need to look at your plugs and tune from there.

If your really looking to spray a bunch then I would say a tuned system from someone like Steve Johnson is well worth the money but don't think you can just pop the jets in a go, you still will need to tune as I stated above!

And yes, you will need to flow the fuel side of the system in your car no matter what you buy!
 
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What is the advantage of buying a nitrous fogger kit from company X and having them install vesus buying the same kit from company X and installing it yourself. This purchase is of a fogger kit that will spray from too 200hp to 500hp max

think I left out some meaning to this
If company flows system on intake(purchased from company). If buying the same system from them shouldn't it still flow same numbers even though i put it on instead of them.

hope this clears question up a little sorry for the confusing


If your talking about having them drill and tap or weld bungs on the intake, that's one question. This is not hard but many don't have the tools or skills to do it right.

As for tuning the system, you will need to either way! You should buy a new kit from one manufacture, no used pieced together crap. And follow their instructions to start and start small HP wise. If you have a data logger with O2, that will help big time! Otherwise you will need to look at your plugs and tune from there.

If your really looking to spray a bunch then I would say a tuned system from someone like Steve Johnson is well worth the money but don't think you can just pop the jets in a go, you still will need to tune as I stated above!

And yes, you will need to flow the fuel side of the system in your car no matter what you buy!
All good info.


 
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I have always done my own install and done them for a few others. They are not difficult to do as long as you have a good bender and flaring tool.If your intake is not drilled it helps to have access to a milling machine. If you have to weld bungs you will need a Tig welder or need to have someone tig weld them. Cast intakes can be a little bit of a challenge to weld to but doable. Most importantly take your time it takes some planning.

As for wiring pay attention to your grounds. Remember that if you are feeding 4 solenoids your ground wire or wires needs to carry the same current.

I would agree with what has been mentioned that the advantage to a professional install would be that the system comes flowed. However, as Al mentioned you will still need to do some tuning either way. Again if you are patient and can read plugs or ideally as Al said if you have a data logger with O2 even better. I personally have always just ready plugs but I also tow back which allows me to do this. If you drive the car back your really will not get an accurate plug reading. Either way there is a learning curve to this and I am still learning.

I I have seen others use Steve Johnsons stuff and his flowed tune ups are very close.


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