Bracket Talk
Parasitic Loss

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March 21, 2020, 07:43 AM
chasracer
Parasitic Loss
Powerglide, 8" Converter and 9" rear with 31x14 tire - would a loss of 10% HP be a reasonable assumption?
March 21, 2020, 09:13 AM
Mike Rietow
Take for an example any car that runs better than it should, meaning it's optimized. To calculate the standard percentage.

Wallace has a calculator that figures flexplate HP and back tire separately according to inputs of weight and et.

Calculate any other similar car for tolerances in comparison to the standard.
March 21, 2020, 09:18 AM
Rick!
10% is probably a bit light.
I've used 15% since auto mechanics in vo-tech and it's pretty close.
A ford 9" is about 94-95% efficient due to its high offset of pinion to ring gear.
The PG from the input shaft rearward is probably around 94-97% efficient in high gear at best due to the two sets of bevel gears in the planetary.
The 8" convertor is the wild card - this would need to be estimated by the temp increase in the oil from start to finish of the run.
If you go by slip %, then it could be about 8% slip, or 92% efficient.
Now multiply them all together:
Optimistically, .95 x .97 x .92 = 85% efficient.
YMMV
March 21, 2020, 09:57 AM
Mike Rietow
11%


April 05, 2020, 09:07 AM
mavman
Which brings in a question from me. When building up a powerglide, what do you guys do to reduce parasitic drag? I have Carl's book and have read it, but do you guys use the practices that he's written?
April 06, 2020, 08:10 PM
chasracer
I think there are a few things you can do that help, whether they are truly measurable might be questionable.

I always mod the back of the pump for a torrington bearing instead of the normal bushing. And I think the roller bearing rear support is another drag reducing trick. I also remember reading something about putting pieces of 0-ring rubber in the main clutch pack? - I'm probably off by a mile here but maybe somebody else can shed some light on that one.
April 06, 2020, 08:48 PM
TD3550
Run a good synthetic fluid. Like Allison 295 fluid
April 06, 2020, 10:33 PM
Mike Rietow
quote:
Originally posted by mavman:
Which brings in a question from me. When building up a powerglide, what do you guys do to reduce parasitic drag? I have Carl's book and have read it, but do you guys use the practices that he's written?


That's a helluva book. I talked to Carl (rip) about that book once, and he said he wished there were a little more profit in writing it, like maybe he regretted writing it possibly. Carl didn't say that and I may have read him wrong. But I told Carl one thing is for sure, no matter what,,,,, your name will live on.

And here we are keeping Carl alive, I think it's pretty cool.

He tells everything in there to do, it's up to you to read between the lines of what he's saying, in order to take it a step further.

My little 3200 lb sbc street car Nova can go double 0's on a .370 pro tree. That book of Carl's is responsible for a lot of the reason why.
April 07, 2020, 03:02 PM
Larry Woodfin
I do most of the "tricks" in his book and as stared above each mod may be hard to measure but I think the sum is worth doing. It is a good book.


Larry Woodfin