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one car , one entry

Double entry has made these big purses possible but I think it is slowly also may cause them to get fewer and ****her between.
I am 1000% for then old rule of the Flings where a car only goes down the track 1 time per round. Now that is gone from those races so I'm not sure I will go to them any more. I have and could still double enter but just hate the idea of it.
Any form of double entry will never be fair to the guy that can barely afford 1 entry.
 
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I can understand buybacks, but Definitely think it should be 1 entry per driver.

Personally when I am doubled, I'll take about 5 more out of the box than I would single entered. Then when I go red, I add the 5 back in.

Its a lot tougher to go up set up 5 or better, when your single entered and everyone else is doubled.
 
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I can understand buybacks, but Definitely think it should be 1 entry per driver.

Personally when I am doubled, I'll take about 5 more out of the box than I would single entered. Then when I go red, I add the 5 back in.

Its a lot tougher to go up set up 5 or better, when your single entered and everyone else is doubled.


I like buybacks, on those races I tend to hit tree a little harder first round and if I cut it too close I can buyback. As for acquiring points during points races that does not matter to me.
You just tell me what the rules are, what the pay out is and do not change after we get there to race.

Back to the Big Money Races they have to be set up different because of money involved. But if that is what you like doing go for it. You choose the type racing and rules you like best.

Problem we are now facing as is everyone else is high gas prices, outrageous hotels, food and everything else has gone up and that will hurt car count which WILL hurt payout.


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There's two schools of thought, there's ...It allows us to race for this kind of money and there's the how many entry's do ya need school of thought.

But if you think about it, what's missing is a Tom Brady or John Force.... GOAT.

If it were one car, one entry from day one you'd have a clear cut objective fact bona fide, genuine GOAT.

Ya gotta have a GOAT. You can't race 30 years without producing a objective fact, bona fide, genuine GOAT.

Someone might say well the GOAT is whoever makes the most money, well that's subjective too because there's no telling who spent how much on entry's and buybacks to support those entry's.

Ya gotta have a GOAT. Just all there is to it.

One entry, one car for 30 years and you'd have a GOAT, by a bunch I'd bet.

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Is history repeating its self? In the 60s drag racing was about dead as it had got to the point that the guy with the most money almost always won every event. Then Pappy Parker out there in CA came up with a form of bracket racing. Then around 1975--77 Carl Bullock from (I believe)Philadelphia started the New Jersey Bracket Racers Assoc at Atco which turned into the United Bracket Racers Assoc with members all over the country. They talked Darwin Doll (NHRA Div 1 director) into backing a Div 1 bracket finals at York US 30 in 1977. 485 cars made first round. NO BUY BACKS. Classes then were determined by ET--Pro, Heavy, and Street. John DiBartolomeo won Pro, Mike Minno, won Heavy, and Bruce Bowman won Street. I don't think there was a trans brake or delay box in the place. This was when you could go to a Sat bracket race at the local track and find a full house. It was simple. As time has gone on we have allowed about everything money can buy creep into this type of racing and now on a weekly basis you can hardly find a local bracket race and the fields are getting smaller. At the big races as we are now seeing the same faces in the short lines, those to are having less people. History!
yes history is repeating class racing died around here in 1969 and thats when brackets started



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I'm older (59) and like most older people, I'm doing better financially than when I was younger. I don't envision gas prices or a recession really impacting my participation in my hobbies. Racing these days is typically an older crowd - will be interesting to see if current economic conditions really impact the sport much.


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I'm older (59) and like most older people, I'm doing better financially than when I was younger. I don't envision gas prices or a recession really impacting my participation in my hobbies. Racing these days is typically an older crowd - will be interesting to see if current economic conditions really impact the sport much.


I think it will effect everyone even the rich people. They did not get RICH by wasting money.


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I'm older (59) and like most older people, I'm doing better financially than when I was younger. I don't envision gas prices or a recession really impacting my participation in my hobbies. Racing these days is typically an older crowd - will be interesting to see if current economic conditions really impact the sport much.


I think it will effect everyone even the rich people. They did not get RICH by wasting money.


They didn’t get rich by being foolish lol

We have a fairly local series called triple 7’s which is pretty popular. Kinda strikes a balance. We may be attending some going forward


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My round trip to the local drag strip is about 20 gallons of 87 unleaded. I'm not rich, and I don't waste money. But if it costs me $100 in fuel to get to the track instead of $40, that is no problem at all.


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I don't necessarily mind the purse/entry fee structure so much as the style of racing. My car and brain are not built for 4 or 5 hours between rounds. Id rather race 8 entries over four small races for 500 than one entry over 2-3 days for the same amount.
 
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I don't necessarily mind the purse/entry fee structure so much as the style of racing. My car and brain are not built for 4 or 5 hours between rounds. Id rather race 8 entries over four small races for 500 than one entry over 2-3 days for the same amount.
Thats what that ADDERALL is for
 
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Thats what that ADDERALL is for


Still wont help the racecar....
 
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Thats what that ADDERALL is for


Still wont help the racecar....
Make Slew Rate for that…
 
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Big $ gambler's racing is just that, gambling. Further, like gambling, the casino like these events are full of dreamers with average at best knowledge, skills, cars and no different than a casino, when a professional gambler sits down at the table, more often than not, he cleans house, runs the table, same at these events. The fact is 10% at best have all that’s needed to win anyone of these races, the other 90% are just contributing, like the lottery, “a dollar and a dream.”

Also put these big $ sharks in a local shark pool instead of a bay filled with mostly guppies and their win percentage is much lower.
 
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I race for enjoyment, I don't enjoy throwing that much money away just to say I was there. I don't enjoy sitting in the lanes as long as it takes and then sitting back at the trailer for hours between rounds. I don't need to spend large sums of money to make believe I had fun.
 
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I am stunned by some racers (not a lot, but some) who I wouldn't consider a threat to win on any local Saturday/Sunday but will continually go contribute large sums at the big $$$ races.


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dreamers, that want to experience it and they number a lot, from tracks all over the country.
 
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Is it me or is it the same crowd running/winning the big money bracket races. I can only imagine the car counts are nearly half of what they were 1-2 years ago and only those with deep pockets are attending, hence the same faces???


I guess it depends on what your definition of big money races are. I’d say motormania TV and similar sources are thankfully why we’re “seeing” the same crowd running/winning some marquee events. No doubt these guys attending/winning have the talent and means to do so whether it be from from sponsorship and or otherwise. The BIG named guys have BIG names for a reason and it has nothing to do with how much money they have and everything to do with on track accomplishments. However, there are plenty of larger purse non live streamed events being won by non/lesser known racers. I consider myself a low budget racer and would rather run for lower entry fee and payout but I am fortunate enough to have Gaylon Rolison Jr promote races at my local track. That being said, at my local track a normal entry for SSS points race is $60 for $1500 to win. Last November the Turkey Beach Bash entry was $300 for 10k, 25k, and 10k to win. If you add up smiles per dollar it’s a no brainer for me to enter. I would not classify $120 extra to run 3 races as me having “deep pockets”.


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I am stunned by some racers (not a lot, but some) who I wouldn't consider a threat to win on any local Saturday/Sunday but will continually go contribute large sums at the big $$$ races.


I see this a LOT. Even more is the young group who haven't been in a full sized race car even a season....and their parents are there laying down money for them to be first and second round losers. Their destiny I guess. LOL.


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I am stunned by some racers (not a lot, but some) who I wouldn't consider a threat to win on any local Saturday/Sunday but will continually go contribute large sums at the big $$$ races.


This is very true. Its really no different to them than playing the lottery. There is that small chance they will get lucky enough rounds to make that split that one time then they are hooked for sure.
 
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