Why? They won't be able to hit a pro tree and would just be fodder for the sharks.
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June 15, 2022, 04:51 PM
imakehp
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Originally posted by CURTIS REED: Why? They won't be able to hit a pro tree and would just be fodder for the sharks.
WHY? Nothing can hold and release quicker than electronics. And that's all a Tesla is made of. Considering an electric motor has its rated HP instantly, a simple spring loaded on/off switch could be as fast, or faster, than a transbrake.
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June 15, 2022, 05:57 PM
Don Higgins Crew Chief Pro Software
Cutting a light, on a Pro tree, in a 5000 pound car would be impossible, even with the best electronics.
Bring it on. Reminds me of when a guy showed up with a diesel powered funny car and ran in Super Comp. I enjoy something different, but it is a very tough class to compete with an odd ball car.
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June 15, 2022, 07:42 PM
Tom396
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Originally posted by Don Higgins Crew Chief Pro Software: Cutting a light, on a Pro tree, in a 5000 pound car would be impossible, even with the best electronics.
Bring it on. Reminds me of when a guy showed up with a diesel powered funny car and ran in Super Comp. I enjoy something different, but it is a very tough class to compete with an odd ball car.
By putting a 5,000 lb. daily driver into the 8's, I'd say they have "impossible" pretty well covered. Take care. Tom Worthington
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June 16, 2022, 06:01 AM
Holytown
I don't like the EV's, but can you imagine how much publicity someone would get for just showing up in one and losing first round?
Bet they'd get just as much TV time as the Pro's
Pretty sure NHRA made a rule that they have to be in their own class though?
June 17, 2022, 11:36 AM
Goob
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Originally posted by Holytown: I don't like the EV's, but can you imagine how much publicity someone would get for just showing up in one and losing first round?
Bet they'd get just as much TV time as the Pro's
Pretty sure NHRA made a rule that they have to be in their own class though?
As it should. These things are giant wheel counting / traction control machines. By rights, any factory ABS equipped car should be banned from bracket / index racing.
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June 17, 2022, 12:10 PM
BP758
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Originally posted by Goob:
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Originally posted by Holytown: I don't like the EV's, but can you imagine how much publicity someone would get for just showing up in one and losing first round?
Bet they'd get just as much TV time as the Pro's
Pretty sure NHRA made a rule that they have to be in their own class though?
As it should. These things are giant wheel counting / traction control machines. By rights, any factory ABS equipped car should be banned from bracket / index racing.
That’s what I been sayin for quite a while now. Any good driver will do really well in one. Just think, the dam thing can drive itself! From the beer joint to the house! Home Jeebs! Good 5tenths car but not 4.
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June 17, 2022, 01:00 PM
markemark
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These things are giant wheel counting / traction control machines. By rights, any factory ABS equipped car should be banned from bracket / index racing.
At very least they should run in an EV specific class. There was one in Super Pro this past weekend piloted by a well-known race promoter.
June 17, 2022, 03:09 PM
Floyd Staggs
That’s what I been sayin for quite a while now. Any good driver will do really well in one. Just think, the dam thing can drive itself! From the beer joint to the house! Home Jeebs! Good 5tenths car but not 4.[/QUOTE]
Barry, You got that right. My hay hauler weighs 4000 lbs and I can't hit a .400 tree with a bat. That's with a pro brake and a fairly tight convertor. I love running D/G and can run under the index easily but when I catch them I break out.
That's why I have said for a long time that EV's have no place racing against traditional bracket cars. It's a completely different technology. Give them their own class if you want to be inclusive about it.
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June 18, 2022, 11:04 AM
Canted Valve
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Give them their own class if you want to be inclusive about it.
In today's parlance inclusive means to give an advantage too....
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June 19, 2022, 07:13 AM
M802138
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Originally posted by imakehp:
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Originally posted by CURTIS REED: Why? They won't be able to hit a pro tree and would just be fodder for the sharks.
WHY? Nothing can hold and release quicker than electronics. And that's all a Tesla is made of. Considering an electric motor has its rated HP instantly, a simple spring loaded on/off switch could be as fast, or faster, than a transbrake.
You are right. The MOTORS can instantly make torque. Everything that 'controls' the motors are where the issues lie. A dedicated motor brake would resolve some of it but in my experience they suck. They don't usually last very long. If you think that electronics are faster than humans, you are not thinking correctly. Go get on a higher performing off-road vehicle that has electronic throttle, and go drive it on an off road course (dirt/sand) that requires a lot of on-and-off throttle input . You'll quickly find out that the electronic control of it just plain sucks. Similarly, ETV's on the drag strip. There is always a delay between the time you push the throttle to the floor and the time the ETV motor opens the blade(s). That delay goes unnoticed by many average drivers. Now, get out of that vehicle and into a mechanical throttle vehicle using only footbrake. You will probably redlight.
June 19, 2022, 04:48 PM
Canted Valve
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That delay goes unnoticed by many average drivers. Now, get out of that vehicle and into a mechanical throttle vehicle using only footbrake. You will probably redlight.
Illegitimi non carborundum
June 19, 2022, 05:43 PM
imakehp
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Originally posted by M802138:
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Originally posted by imakehp:
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Originally posted by CURTIS REED: Why? They won't be able to hit a pro tree and would just be fodder for the sharks.
WHY? Nothing can hold and release quicker than electronics. And that's all a Tesla is made of. Considering an electric motor has its rated HP instantly, a simple spring loaded on/off switch could be as fast, or faster, than a transbrake.
You are right. The MOTORS can instantly make torque. Everything that 'controls' the motors are where the issues lie. A dedicated motor brake would resolve some of it but in my experience they suck. They don't usually last very long. If you think that electronics are faster than humans, you are not thinking correctly. Go get on a higher performing off-road vehicle that has electronic throttle, and go drive it on an off road course (dirt/sand) that requires a lot of on-and-off throttle input . You'll quickly find out that the electronic control of it just plain sucks. Similarly, ETV's on the drag strip. There is always a delay between the time you push the throttle to the floor and the time the ETV motor opens the blade(s). That delay goes unnoticed by many average drivers. Now, get out of that vehicle and into a mechanical throttle vehicle using only footbrake. You will probably redlight.
None of that is an issue with the Tesla. Wire in a button activated relay directly to the motor and your human reaction time would be the only "delay" as the electronics are moving at, or near, the speed of light. And I understand the relay is mechanical. But any delay would be minimal, and I believe there are none mechanical/all electronic relays available now days. My point is I don't think hitting a pro tree would be an issue. For the Tesla at least.
. Dave
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June 23, 2022, 12:09 PM
BP758
Still trying to move 4500 plus lbs ! It will not come close on a 4 tree. I don’t care how fast you think it can react.
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June 23, 2022, 12:38 PM
Goob
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Originally posted by Canted Valve:
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That delay goes unnoticed by many average drivers. Now, get out of that vehicle and into a mechanical throttle vehicle using only footbrake. You will probably redlight.
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June 23, 2022, 12:53 PM
racerdude2054
Watched a video of this running 6.0 1/8th mile at 115 mph
June 24, 2022, 09:17 AM
Goob
Tesla Plaid Channel on YouTube. That guy had some issues with the track management early on...then like magic, EV owners get special treatment by NHRA.
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According to Tesla North, the National Hot Rod Association (NHRA) adjusted its rules to allow the Model S Plaid and related vehicles to participate in 9-second 1/4-mile runs without needing a roll cage.
Deep in the 9's and over 150 MPH with nothing required but a helmet. No cage, no chassis cert, no license, no full face helmet, no 5 layer suit, no gloves, no chute. How many average track safety crews are really trained and equipped to handle a 150 MPH + crash or fire, with one of these abortions?
The Tesla Plaid channel dude already had a car from the other lane clip his rear 1/4, at the stripe. Could have been really bad news.
It's classic folly playing out.
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July 02, 2022, 12:47 PM
M802138
Yeah that's another issue. Those cars weigh, what? 4700 lbs? Wreck a 4700 lb car at 150+ and if you hit another car, it's GOING to be ugly.
