Thinking about buying an alchohol carb. What are the pros and cons of alky?
Would I have put a fuel cell at the front of my car?
I have a Holley blue pump, will that work or will I need a new one.

I love me some alcohol

pro's alky cost less, runs cooler, usually less et change, cons will require more attention, ie need temp in motor to keep from milking it a good carb will help this. but you will pay good $$$ for a good carb its that simple, and a rear cell will work fine, not sure on your pump though?

The Blue Holley will not work. You will have to get a Black Holley Pump. I have found that a belt driven pump is much better and will not milk the oil as bad. If you have the funds APD can hook you up with the best package. I know Adam Davis and Luke Bogak run these on their cars and I have seen Adams Nova run 9rds and not even move a hundreth to the 330 of course being that he holds a mile LOL. Good luck.
Robert

Blue pump won't last long. Holley black pump will work fine. Fuel cell location depends on ET. I have been on alcohol since '92 and would not switch.

C J McDonald
HR9564

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Originally posted by C J McDonald:
Blue pump won't last long. Holley black pump will work fine. Fuel cell location depends on ET. I have been on alcohol since '92 and would not switch.

C J McDonald
HR9564

You ought to be an alcoholic by now


Black pump is the bare mininum...I've used one but it's not your best choice.A 280 MagnaFuel would be a lot better.Be sure your regulator is compatable.

Been usin alky since 93. I'd quit before going back to gas. Do yourself a favor. If your goin to switch, do it right the first time. Don't half *** it, or you'll do it over, and over, or stay on gas. Get a GOOD carb, AND belt drive pump the first time, and forget it.

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Originally posted by Randy Larson:
Do yourself a favor. If your goin to switch, do it right the first time. Don't half *** it, or you'll do it over, and over, or stay on gas. Get a GOOD carb, AND belt drive pump the first time, and forget it.

Have to agree with Larson this time. Ask the racer on here that bought my Rupert with enderly pump and started winning everything in sight

Next best step is methanol injection...less maintenance and more power over any meth carb is easy

So whats better a Alky car, or something like the toilet? I am thinking about putting our new combo on Alky as well but done want to spend $$$ only to have to go buy something else later on.

I was thinking about a Tunnel Ram with a hat injector on it, if I can find the parts for the 351W based FORD...

I've run both alky injection and carb and for now I prefer carb. For a doorcar make sure your exhaust exits to the SIDE!! You will die in that car, ask me how I know!!lol
Meth injection is fun I just don't care for the fuel consumption

I have to admit I was like Larson being an alkyholic but a recent switch to gas netted .15gain! I can tell you that motor won't see alky anytime soon....

I've run alky injection for years. The car stays within 1/100th some times it might change 2/100th, depending on starting line.
I've got a log-book that shows the car leaving the track at one event with a 9.37 ET and showing up a week later and running that exact number without changing a thing.

I cannot answer your fuel cell/pump questions as we have always run a front cell, and cam or belt driven pump due to being injected.








But with the right tune/jets/pills, and consistent engine temp at starting line, you can BANK on your ET and sometimes just ignore the brake pedal at the top end.

One event we could have painted the dial-in on the car, and never once used the brake pedal-8 rounds later, cash in hand, and a Wally in arms.

I am a believer in Alky...but the maintenance costs will eventually make the fuel cost savings a wash-depending on how often you race.

Personally I would go to E85 if its available near you....

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Originally posted by Freddie:
So whats better a Alky car, or something like the toilet? I am thinking about putting our new combo on Alky as well but done want to spend $$$ only to have to go buy something else later on.

I was thinking about a Tunnel Ram with a hat injector on it, if I can find the parts for the 351W based FORD...

I've run Alky carbs (rupert) and now a flying toilet, and I don't think I would ever put an alky carb back on anything. Fuel consumption is a non issue if you use a primer plus which I added to my system a few months after I put it on. I burn almost a gallon of alky and about 2/3 quart of gas each run.

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Originally posted by Stephen Hughes:

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Originally posted by Freddie:
So whats better a Alky car, or something like the toilet? I am thinking about putting our new combo on Alky as well but done want to spend $$$ only to have to go buy something else later on.

I was thinking about a Tunnel Ram with a hat injector on it, if I can find the parts for the 351W based FORD...

I've run Alky carbs (rupert) and now a flying toilet, and I don't think I would ever put an alky carb back on anything. Fuel consumption is a non issue if you use a primer plus which I added to my system a few months after I put it on. I burn almost a gallon of alky and about 2/3 quart of gas each run.

x2 or 3 or whatever.

I won't go back to a carb either unless someone pays me good money. I too have a toilet-on my Ford 351w. Nice set up. Going from GOOD gas carb to toilet on alky picked it up almost .4 and close to 5 mph (1/8). 6.60's to 6.20's and 30's. Primer plus saves a TON of fuel and it doesn't milk the oil. I use about 1/2 gal per run and about 1/2-2/3 quart of 93 octane..and builds heat FAST (compared to without the primer plus). I still have a fuel cell in the rear of the car and I may try to plumb a line from the cell to the primer. I bet 3 gal would last a good while.

Trust me, once you go from carb to injector, you will wonder why on earth you didn't switch earlier. Injection is SO much simpler that it will throw you for a curve until you get used to it.

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Originally posted by kingjr:
Meth injection is fun I just don't care for the fuel consumption

Sounds like you never had a good tune up. Mine is very easy on fuel after lots of tweeking.

I switched over to alky in 2001...the car got deadly consistant. I went with an APD dominator with a BLP BELT DRIVEN FUEL PUMP i like the pump because there is no return line to the fuel cell and the regulator is built into the pump as is the fuel bypass, and there are no pills to change. I have run it in the rear of the car and at the time with #10 line, it ran 8.90 with no problems but changed and now run the cell up front. I used to use penzoil oil and the oil had a butterscotch look. Then ran VR-1 valvoline and had none of that look...now i run brad penn. like that stuff also.. The whole chageover is a little pricey.. but i wouldn't ever go back to gas...and you need top lube in it also.. good luck... alky costs a little over 100bucks a drum...Bob Bastian

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What are the pros and cons of alky?

the`re isnt any cons of alky,,,,milking the oil is very preventable and cheap using a electric vac pump....alky will milk the oil but most of the time, its due to a too rich setup...mainly at idle

a good carb from rupert is a safe bet,,,,toilets are better but injection can be hair pulling unless you have someone to help....the biggest thing NEG about a toilet is no help at the track unless someone you know is there using one....

are you wanting to make a change for performance or conistency???

you have a PM

I run twin toilets in my GTO. Switched to Brad Penn oil and no milk.