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I would be willing to bet money that if you stayed your car then rolled it down the track till it broke the finish line and then measured the distance it is just short of 660’ or 1320’ whichever you are running and will be short by the length of your cars nose.


The argument you're making is a fallacy. Not only that, it's also a fantasy.
 
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It's pretty simple to watch and see how it's done. And, if you are watching that closely you should be able to see that almost everyone that's doing it ends up staging the car with the wheels straight and the "last motion" is forward moving.


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Originally posted by CURTIS REED:
Well I hope it was just a misinterpretation. I don't play games. When I say I sit and wait on them they haven't even gotten to the prestage beam yet. I do short burnouts and roll to the line. When I see them rolling to the beams I start my routine and go on in. I'm usually the first in but don't care one way or the other who is. I don't hold anyone up or rush anyone I just do my thing. It seems like a lot of the people I race do their burnout, stop 30' from the line, tighten belts, check their switches, fix their hair, phone a friend, then decide it's time to race. LOL

Now if you believe not dialing honest is game playing then we disagree there. If I run the number I put on it isn't that dialing honest though?


I see racers doing the phone a friend thing a lot....not sure what they are thinking, but the way I think, if you have to do that much between burnout and staging, you didn't show up ready to race in the first place...

As to dialing, what I meant was those racers that will hold a ton against a slower car and then whomp them several times at the end of the track....In the 1/8th, if you have time to whomp somebody 3-4 times on the top end, you're a sandbagging B****.......running your number if you hold a couple isn't...that's tactics...but you have to be able to drive well enough to account for that...it's the sandbaggers that get to me. They also tend to be the racers that "cherry pick" others in the line...I know some tracks will say something, but most don't....


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....In the 1/8th, if you have time to whomp somebody 3-4 times on the top end, you're a sandbagging B****.......



running your number if you hold a couple isn't...that's tactics...but you have to be able to drive well enough to account for that...it's the sandbaggers that get to me. They also tend to be the racers that "cherry pick" others in the line...I know some tracks will say something, but most don't....



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I would be willing to bet money that if you stayed your car then rolled it down the track till it broke the finish line and then measured the distance it is just short of 660’ or 1320’ whichever you are running and will be short by the length of your cars nose.


The argument you're making is a fallacy. Not only that, it's also a fantasy.




I don't believe it's fantasy, why do door cars run stripe takers???

My understanding is this:

Starting line photo eyes are at (or about) two inches in elevation (think about three inches MINUMUM clearance on front of car requirement from ground in the rule book) this by design captures front tire. The 60 foot eyes are at (or about) ten inches (to capture most front tires during wheelies). ALL other eyes are at (or about) six inches. With that said, I'd believe (depending on design of nose) that means it's likely the nose of a dragster IS tripping the finish line eyes...



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Dan knows. This is why I added stripe taker to my car because I could be on the brakes at the stripe and break out by a bunch but all the other times,60’ and 330’ would have me running right on and I don’t have spray.
 
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I have a stripe taker on the nose of my dragster. I can assure you it's won me races I would have ordinarily have lost without it....


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Green 1, then how does the stage light come on ? Is it magic ?

It’s magic when the driver straightens his wheels it goes back into the beams with the car moving.
 
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I have no issues with guys turning the wheel and flickering the beams. I have an issue with the guys who feel they are "entitled" to be last. It amazes me how many guys who say they just "do their thing" are often the very same guys who feel they are entitled to be the second to stage. I'd be willing to bet those are the same guys who get caught with this very tactic. We have a few racers here that REFUSE to stage first, EVER! Thye have even been tossed from eliminations for refusing to stage(both competitors). In that case one was determined to make the other go in first. I truly do not care when I go in, more often that not I am fist, because I don't care. But I do pay attention to what others do and when I see a "creature of habit" I believe there is a window of opportunity there many times.


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Many probably missed the deal that happened some time back and don't get the strategy. Pair comes up. One driver will never go in first. And will take all the time he can every time without getting timed.
The other driver, knowing this, barely turns on the second bulb for a moment, then turns the wheel and turns the bulb off. Showing that he is not staged according to the tree. Second driver won't go in, because he won't go in first. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, the time out timer started as soon as the third bulb went on the first time. So the timer is running. The driver takes up a little time, straightens the wheel to turn that third light back on, and before the slow poke even tries to stage bulb 4, his red light comes on and he is timed out.

Did I get it right from memory?


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Sandbagging B****, wow, now you've hurt my feelings.
 
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You got it Bucky. Seen it a ton of times. All you need to know is how long you have and light your bulb right before being timed out. Other guy is toast usually.
 
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Sandbagging B****, wow, now you've hurt my feelings.


I sorry...... Wink


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This is have to be practiced to do it right! I never let the other lane drag me into there drama. I change it up , but I still run my race . No one I see playing a game pulls me into play .


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Many probably missed the deal that happened some time back and don't get the strategy. Pair comes up. One driver will never go in first. And will take all the time he can every time without getting timed.
The other driver, knowing this, barely turns on the second bulb for a moment, then turns the wheel and turns the bulb off. Showing that he is not staged according to the tree. Second driver won't go in, because he won't go in first. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, the time out timer started as soon as the third bulb went on the first time. So the timer is running. The driver takes up a little time, straightens the wheel to turn that third light back on, and before the slow poke even tries to stage bulb 4, his red light comes on and he is timed out.

Did I get it right from memory?

Pretty much spot on.
I never go in first or last. I just get in when I do. I may be a little slow getting to the line as I wait till dial in are on the board before I get close to the line but that’s my only delay. I did burn a kid down once just because I knew he was gonna do it so I just sat there and waited until he went in, I won the round and never did it again.
 
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I turn the wheel often...IF you choose to take a longer routine than average prestage I will show you the second bulb if YOU choose take a long time to turn on the 1st bulb.

This is not done to try to get you to red light or make a mistake. I DO this to hurry the F up. Your typically holding the entire race up because you feel taking longer to stage at all is beneficial to you.

Do your burnout when the pair in front of you leaves the starting line and stage your car after the burn out. If you want to tweak your helmet 5 times, sing a song and pull your pud...I'm gonna turn the wheel, flicker the 2nd bulb and flip you off if you want to make everyone at the track wait on your SLOW AZZ to hold the entire race up for YOU.

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I would agree with it that way Chris and yes I normally don’t double bulb people but when they screw around like some of them do well they have it coming.
 
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After running S/C dragsters for over 35+years, it was fun to f' with the bracket guys. They really thought it was some magical trick. It was a way to distract them. My final move was to turn them straight. As for slow stagers, I preferred first, if the competitor next to me wanted to play games I would double bulb them in a heart beat, talk about f' them up.
 
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Why would double bulbing someone f them up? Every person I race could double bulb me and I wouldn’t care. What am I missing?



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Why would double bulbing someone f them up? Every person I race could double bulb me and I wouldn’t care. What am I missing?
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