Republicans/Libertarians/NeoCons, need not bother reading this, many long multisyllabic words will follow. Stop now.

“Why Republican leaders will have trouble speaking to the rest of America”

“The self-identifying conservative Republicans who make up the base of the Republican Party stand a world apart from the rest of America, according to focus groups conducted by Democracy Corps. These base Republican voters dislike Barack Obama to be sure – which is not very surprising as base Democrats had few positive things to say about George Bush – but these voters identify themselves as part of a ‘mocked’ minority with a set of shared beliefs and knowledge, and commitment to oppose Obama that sets them apart from the majority in the country. They believe Obama is ruthlessly advancing a ‘secret agenda’ to bankrupt the United States and dramatically expand government control to an extent nothing short of socialism. While these voters are disdainful of a Republican Party they view to have failed in its mission, they overwhelmingly view a successful Obama presidency as the destruction of this country’s founding principles and are committed to seeing the president fail.”

Others who have made it through this paragraph might wish to continue reading the rest of the article at this link.

http://www.democracycorps.com/...ns/?section=Analysis

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Republicans/Libertarians/NeoCons, need not bother reading this, many long multisyllabic words will follow. Stop now.

“Why Republican leaders will have trouble speaking to the rest of America”

“The self-identifying conservative Republicans who make up the base of the Republican Party stand a world apart from the rest of America, according to focus groups conducted by Democracy Corps. These base Republican voters dislike Barack Obama to be sure – which is not very surprising as base Democrats had few positive things to say about George Bush – but these voters identify themselves as part of a ‘mocked’ minority with a set of shared beliefs and knowledge, and commitment to oppose Obama that sets them apart from the majority in the country. They believe Obama is ruthlessly advancing a ‘secret agenda’ to bankrupt the United States and dramatically expand government control to an extent nothing short of socialism. While these voters are disdainful of a Republican Party they view to have failed in its mission, they overwhelmingly view a successful Obama presidency as the destruction of this country’s founding principles and are committed to seeing the president fail.”

Others who have made it through this paragraph might wish to continue reading the rest of the article at this link.

Larry,
I disagree with the statement posted above. Now, if you substitute the words "democratic party" with the word Obama, then I agree. The deal is , Obama is more puppet than power. While I disagree with their views, I think they absolutley kick the Republicans a s s when it comes to the game of politics. The sell job that the Democrats did to the American public getting Obama elected is the greatest job of advertising the world has ever seen. Im not being sarcastic, its simply the truth. The Dmocrats own the majority of the media and the media owns the majority of the people. Whether it be they are smarter or schrewder is open to discussion.

This is a mental health issue, not just a character flaw.
Pathological narcissists are dangerous because they look normal and
even intelligent. It is this disguise that makes them treacherous.
Today the Democrats have placed all their hopes in Obama. But this
man could put an end to their party. The great majority of
blacks have also decided to vote for Obama. Only a fool does not
know that their support for him is racially driven. This is
racism, pure and simple.

So Larry, do you think anyone has a right to disagree with obama/democratic party for what ever reason is real to them?

Sure, you/they can.

They do so most vociferously, Fox News, and a number of their more highly visible pundits/editorialists seeming to be one of their biggest mouthpieces. Of course if you only read inside your own political sphere, it might seem like the whole world is saying the same thing, I guess that may be another point the article is trying to make as well.

But I don't see where that has much to do with this particular topic? That being "Why Republicans have trouble speaking to America." The point being they don't seem to be communicating in a very effective way. I posted the clip about how people on the right (Republicans ect.) seem to be living in there own little world and not being able to talk to anyone other than those in the same group of people. I think the article makes the point that they (core right wing republicans) tend to say things that they don't have much support for outside of there own group, yes it appears real to them, but not so much to many of the rest of the political spectrum.

They seem to be flying around ranting stuff that no one understands; sort of like the poor people you sometimes see wandering around in public waving their arms just shouting to the world in general, no one seems to know just what their problems are, they aren’t communicating very effectively, you can understand the words, but they don’t make a lot of sense, sort of like they are speaking in a code only they and a few chosen others can understand.

It is not about that they shouldn’t be saying what they feel is right, it’s about their not being able to effectively communicate those ideas to people outside their own little world. If you read more than the first paragraph, the clip I posted here, of the article it may be more apparent what is being said.

The true mainstream Republican conservatives have trouble telling people what they want to hear. They cannot express the truth without hurting image and pissing off people. The majority does not want to hear a politician tell the truth. Would rather the politician say "Vote for me and I will fix everything."

A great example was when then Govenor Palin spoke at Rep convention. One of her earlier statements about "predatory lending" turned me off. None of these politicians have the nerve to just speak truth.

Untill the people have the inteeligence to quit looking for absolution and the politicos have the nuts to speak truthfully, we will remain in turmoil.

Until Republicans come down to earth a little and get rid of their holier than thou image, they have NO chance of regaining any political clout in this country.

People were sick of Bush, his war, his rich oil buddies, his rich banking buddies, his rich buddies in general, ANYONE could have beated him in the election. People were sick of it.

The Republican party knew they were beat, and they knew why.

The only area where Republicans can gain strength and the ONLY reason why they can is PREJUDICE AGAINST BLACKS.

If all the Repubs have to offer is Sarah Palin, they are still phocked.

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Originally posted by BD:
The only area Republicans can gain strength and the ONLY reason why they can is PREJUDICE AGAINST BLACKS.

You are too hung up on color/ethnics, I don't care about these. I care about policy. The Obama team did a fantastic job of getting him elected. I think they are still using same tactics.

Untill we can get away from politicians telling people what they want to hear and move toward them telling people what they need to hear, we are phocked!

Simple math shows there are not any easy answers to the current situation.

The fact that Obama is a total incognito with zero accomplishment,
makes this inexplicable infatuation alarming. Obama is not an
ordinary man. He is not a genius. In fact he is quite ignorant on
most important subjects."

Here's what you voted in..Rest my case..

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Originally posted by muggs:

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Originally posted by BD:
The only area Republicans can gain strength and the ONLY reason why they can is PREJUDICE AGAINST BLACKS.

You are too hung up on color/ethnics, I don't care about these. I care about policy. The Obama team did a fantastic job of getting him elected. I think they are still using same tactics.

Untill we can get away from politicians telling people what they want to hear and move toward them telling people what they need to hear, we are phocked!

Simple math shows there are not any easy answers to the current situation.

Hung up? Bullshiot. Go ahead and tell people what they need to hear. That will not get you elected. Your knowledge of politics is lacking.

Go ahead and keep your head in the sand.

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Originally posted by BD:

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Originally posted by muggs:

quote:

Originally posted by BD:
The only area Republicans can gain strength and the ONLY reason why they can is PREJUDICE AGAINST BLACKS.

You are too hung up on color/ethnics, I don't care about these. I care about policy. The Obama team did a fantastic job of getting him elected. I think they are still using same tactics.

Untill we can get away from politicians telling people what they want to hear and move toward them telling people what they need to hear, we are phocked!

Simple math shows there are not any easy answers to the current situation.

Hung up? Bullshiot. Go ahead and tell people what they need to hear. That will not get you elected. Your knowledge of politics is lacking.

Go ahead and keep your head in the sand.

My point exactly! Thanks for verifying!

muggs, sorry you are so challenged. My sympathies.

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Originally posted by 78 Cutla$$:
The fact that Obama is a total incognito with zero accomplishment,
makes this inexplicable infatuation alarming. Obama is not an
ordinary man. He is not a genius. In fact he is quite ignorant on
most important subjects."

Here's what you voted in..Rest my case..

“total incognito”? Did you mean to write incompetent?

Here is the problem, he does really seem quite literally to be a “genus”, by most standard measures, consensus seems to be that his IQ is somewhere around 145, some say lower some say higher, roughly between 130 and 150. That places him in at least the top 1% and as high as the top 0.1% of people, on average.

Barack Obama's IQ score range is 130 to 148 and quite possibly higher.
www.kids-iq-tests.com/d-prez.html

Obama's IQ has been estimated anywhere from 110-165.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_Barack_Obama's_IQ

Any way you slice it he is way the he11 smarter than you and I. I know how hard it was for me to get through college, he seems to have done a fair bit better than I did. Further you seem not to know the difference between incognito and incompetent, where does that leave you, in being able to pass judgment as to anyone’s mental abilities, or accomplishments?

President Obama’s first group of accomplishments:

After graduating high school from Punahou School in Hawaii, Barack Obama attended Occidental College for two years, and then got his B.A. from Columbia University. He later got his law degree from Harvard Law School (where he became the Harvard Law Review's first African American president), graduating magna cum laude. Obama was also a lecturer of constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What...es_Barack_Obama_have

There are many more, but for the sake of brevity I will leave it at these, in that they amply disprove your opinion on his accomplishemnts.

So, as to his being ignorant on most important subjects, I fear it is you that are ignorant, not he, by a wide margin, and on many subjects not just the important ones.

You rest your case, what case? You have no case, you have presented no examples or documentation in support of those examples, and you seem to be confusing your opinions with fact, in that you fail to support any of your opinions.

I tend to think Cutlass mean't incognito in its truest sense.

While President Obama has an impressive academic record. He does not have much in the way of definitive accomplishment beyond gaining presidency. In most cases the academic accomplishments are entirely subjective, I mean here the difference between winning a horse show and a horse race. In one it is opinion of judges, in the other it is based on timers.

Not much is known about the President early life. Why is there much not known? Is he hiding something?

In terms of IQ, I was rated at 139 in my high school. This means nothing other than latent capacity.

Simple documentation is his 52 state comment. Such a robust student of Constitutional Law should have 50 stuck in his head. Even to give benefit of doubt, someone of such a latent capacity should have a stronger degree of self discipline. One thing I have learned is that the first misquote is often a looking glass into a persons integrity.

This simple statement gives every reason to question whether he is real or a political construct.

Hey Cutlass, sorry if my interpretation is off the mark.

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Originally posted by muggs:
I tend to think Cutlass mean't incognito in its truest sense.

While President Obama has an impressive academic record. He does not have much in the way of definitive accomplishment beyond gaining presidency. In most cases the academic accomplishments are entirely subjective, I mean here the difference between winning a horse show and a horse race. In one it is opinion of judges, in the other it is based on timers.

Not much is known about the President early life. Why is there much not known? Is he hiding something?

In terms of IQ, I was rated at 139 in my high school. This means nothing other than latent capacity.

Simple documentation is his 52 state comment. Such a robust student of Constitutional Law should have 50 stuck in his head. Even to give benefit of doubt, someone of such a latent capacity should have a stronger degree of self discipline. One thing I have learned is that the first misquote is often a looking glass into a persons integrity.

This simple statement gives every reason to question whether he is real or a political construct.

Hey Cutlass, sorry if my interpretation is off the mark.

Many be such an astute political observer such as yourself, should know that he said 57 states not 52. But he should perform better than you while in the midst of a long presidential campaign, with multiple stops per day, while you are sitting on your butt doing nothing in particular. Yeah that seems fair to me.

But then the confabulatist, who see him as some non-American Islamic interloper would prefer that he said 52, trying to say he was talking about so called “52 Islamic states” wouldn’t they. You of course are more than willing to jump on that bandwagon and repeat misstatements if it props up your notions of reality.

Apparently if you count up all the counties that are majority Islamic believers and call them Islamic states there are about 52.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/57states.asp

Ok political accomplishments, over 800 bills sponsored in the Illinois Senate. Quite a few passed.

http://www.democraticundergrou...&address=132x4578207

“Barack Obama sponsored 137 bills from 4 Jan 2005 until 16 November 2008. Two became law.[1] This figure does not include bills to which Obama contributed as cosponsor, such as the Coburn-Obama Federal Funding Accountability and Transparency Act of 2006 or the Lugar-Nunn Cooperative Proliferation Detection, Interdiction Assistance, and Conventional Threat Reduction Act of 2006. Nor does it include amendments to other bills, although in the Senate these are not required to be germane to the parent bill and can therefore effectively be bills in their own right.[2] During the same time period, Obama has co-sponsored 689 bills in total; 408 of which had secured his support by the day they were originally introduced in the Senate.”

Hardly as if he was asleep in the broom closet during his tenure as a US Senator, now is it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L...United_States_Senate

So what is it going to be next, Huckleberry?

If the queer muslim liar is such an icon why doesn't the present socialist donkey candidate for Governor of Virginia want the prevaricator from the Whitehouse anywhere near him???????????????????

57 - 52, don't much matter. he got it wrong. and should have corrected himself immediately.

Sponsoring bills, tons of them along with resolutions? I wonder how many he actually authored himself. There is no legitamate report card on effectiveness that does not carry an asterisk.

No doubt he has done a great job as a speaker to people. He got elected, that proves he can wow the people. Will he be able to make the hard choices to correct current path? Will he even be able to get support after next election?

I still stick with my instinct that there is something wrong somewhere. Possibly, I am being overcautious or conservative. I don't have that faith in him to feel he has the majority of americans interests at heart. President Bush for all of his difficulties gave more of a sense of trust. Even without benfit of media in his pocket. History will show whether he is what media portrayed.

Maybe President Obama will prove me wrong. His dealings with Rev. Wright, Undeground and most recently the Gates issue prove he does not understand right and wrong as I was taught it.

This election is like no other in the history of America. The issues
are insignificant compared to what is at stake. What can be more
dangerous than having a man bereft of conscience, a serial liar,
and one who cannot distinguish his fantasies from reality as the
leader of the free world?

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Originally posted by muggs:
57 - 52, don't much matter. he got it wrong. and should have corrected himself immediately.

Sponsoring bills, tons of them along with resolutions? I wonder how many he actually authored himself. There is no legitamate report card on effectiveness that does not carry an asterisk.

No doubt he has done a great job as a speaker to people. He got elected, that proves he can wow the people. Will he be able to make the hard choices to correct current path? Will he even be able to get support after next election?

I still stick with my instinct that there is something wrong somewhere. Possibly, I am being overcautious or conservative. I don't have that faith in him to feel he has the majority of americans interests at heart. President Bush for all of his difficulties gave more of a sense of trust. Even without benfit of media in his pocket. History will show whether he is what media portrayed.

Maybe President Obama will prove me wrong. His dealings with Rev. Wright, Undeground and most recently the Gates issue prove he does not understand right and wrong as I was taught it.

You are absolutely right, it really doesn’t matter 52 or 57, what every, he misspoke BFD everyone does from time to time, get over it already. If that alone is enough to give you pause about our current President, you should have been screaming for President Bush’s head on a pike on the White House lawn. In my living memory there is not a President that misspoke as much and mangled the English language more than he. If misspeaking is the standard of measure.

It appears many in the republican party and their conservative supporters are at one moment fixated on picking nits or the next moment its some grand Islamo-fascist plot to over through the government, and Obama is sending coded messages on how to take over the world through his public mis-utterances. There seems to be no in-between or sanity about it, it goes back and forth from one extreme to the other, which to the point of the thread, is why most of the people at all interested in politics have generally tuned out on the Republicans. They seem to be babbling batsh1t in some code using the English language but no ordinary person can understand what the he11 they mean from one moment to the next.

As to right and wrong, it is a problem for many in this country in that they have been raised with an absolutist view of the world, black or white, right or wrong, absolutely no in between shades of gray. They are incapable and unwilling to see any point of view other than their own, which is always purely strake white and right. This is very predictable for the conservative Judaeo-Christian right, may of whom have taken up their Christian causes as republican representatives in our government. So I must assume that you, like they and as others around here are pretty much color blind to the color gray.

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You are too hung up on color/ethnics, I don't care about these.

This is the major mistake the Demo/Left goofs are making right now.

They think anyone who speaks out against the president and their policies is just a bitter racist republican who hangs out on fox news all day long.

Truth to the matter is the average American is starting to realize they were duped the second the words hope and change first flew out of his mouth....