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Recently installed new larger blower on my dragster. Went from older 1071 to new HH 1471.
Boost jumped from 10 psi to 17 and blew out the Cometic head gaskets.
Looks like I need something better at sealing.
What is being used on boosted applications?


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Bruce why not copper and o-ringed? When i changed jets i ended up having to change head gaskets. Super Angry


 
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definitely needs to be o ringed
 
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I ran Cometics successfully up to 20+#, but if it gets lean you're in trouble.

O-ring it and be done with it.........


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Mine is o ringed on head, grooved in block. Using Flat out Gaskets, coated copper gaskets. 18-27 lbs boost.

Clark very makes good gaskets but not coated so you have to silicon around all the water jacket holes if your block is wet

Very important to re torque copper head gaskets after first heat cycle
 
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Originally posted by T/D6591:
Bruce why not copper and o-ringed? When i changed jets i ended up having to change head gaskets. Super Angry

Moe, the cometics are what came with the engine/car when I bought it.
I had planned on rebuilding after the Vegas Div.
I'll just be doing that sooner. Still planning on running a wet block and looking for opinions on which will work best.


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I don't think you can beat the Cometics other than going to O-rings.

That being said watch your tune up, make sure it's not lean, read your plugs. Be a little conservative with timing and don't go over 20# boost. Make sure the deck surface of the heads are flat. Do you know the CR of the engine?

I'm assuming it's a BBC, does it have the valley head studs?


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sce cooper gasket and O-ring w/o question. Cost is lot less than burnt head. Works even when tuneup goes bad and at some point it will.



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I don't think you can beat the Cometics other than going to O-rings.

I'm assuming it's a BBC, does it have the valley head studs?

It's a factory Bow Tie block. So unless they were added buy the previous owner, I will say no.
If they are not there I will add them.


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It’s wet.

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Copper gaskets and o-rings with receiver grooves...

I run a nitrous combo and that's what I use, run it more N/A than anything. Couple decent coats on each side with copper spray a gasket and not one single leak. Takes some work to get the heads off too. Nice because you can reuse the gaskets, saves some coin on refresh or teardown...and you can play with thickness of the gaskets too for tuning.....just a thought.


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To the OP: where did the Cometics fail?
between cylinders? or were you pushing out coolant? We run Cometics and have started to push combustion pressure into cooling system at about 18#'s....head gaskets show some"fretting"
or removal of black coating on both sides of the gasket near the block coolant holes at the rear cylinders..Heads may be lifting.Spoke with engineer at Cometic last week and he suggested
Torquing the head, leaving it set for several hours, then mark ,loosen headbolt stud/nut and retorque...We're probably going to go the copper
O-ring route although I prefer the overall ease of using the MLS gasket.Considering new head studs as well as these have been with the motor for years....As Bender stated, Lean tune up is tough on parts with Cometics and boost....Any one else experience combustion pressure in cooling system from head gaskets leaking?
Thanks...
 
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Similar experience, ran cometic and had great luck at 16lbs, at 18 started to show some fretting as you described. At 20-22 lbs had some pressurization of the cooling system and evidence on the deck that combustion was escaping from cylinder to water passenge. Would reseal (static compression didn’t change) and tried the retorque as described with no luck. Went to o-ring and copper gasket with copper spray and no problems at 32 lbs.


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Thanks Nemo !! Did you O-Ring the head and put Receiver groove on the block?...
 
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My o-ring is in the block with the receiver in the head.


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I use flat-Outs or clarks. 35psi all day long !! Cool Cool


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Originally posted by S/S Dart:
To the OP: where did the Cometics fail?
between cylinders? or were you pushing out coolant? We run Cometics and have started to push combustion pressure into cooling system at about 18#'s....head gaskets show some"fretting"
or removal of black coating on both sides of the gasket near the block coolant holes at the rear cylinders..Heads may be lifting.Spoke with engineer at Cometic last week and he suggested
Torquing the head, leaving it set for several hours, then mark ,loosen headbolt stud/nut and retorque...We're probably going to go the copper
O-ring route although I prefer the overall ease of using the MLS gasket.Considering new head studs as well as these have been with the motor for years....As Bender stated, Lean tune up is tough on parts with Cometics and boost....Any one else experience combustion pressure in cooling system from head gaskets leaking?
Thanks...

Gasket failed on #7 cylinder. Burnt through to head stud and on to the water jacket. Burnt the head, but I will be able to weld it up easily. Made 17# boost when it happened.
I will be going to O rings and copper gaskets.


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Bruce..Was that on an iron block? Very similar
failure on our motor...# 7 as well with the stud at the 5oclock position on that cylinder at 18#'s
We're going copper and O-rings as well...What size bore were you running...??
 
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Bruce..Was that on an iron block? Very similar
failure on our motor...# 7 as well with the stud at the 5oclock position on that cylinder at 18#'s
We're going copper and O-rings as well...What size bore were you running...??

Yes Iron Bowtie block #7 at 5 o'clock 4.530 bore. I bought a new Merlin 4 block so I will be starting out at 4.500.


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I've always wanted to try the Willis/Cooper rings.
Maybe I can talk a friend with a boosted bike (20-35 psi) to go that route.I am told that even if the head lifts a bit they are pretty good at staying sealed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wills_Ring


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